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I'm afraid that's a view put about by Dekka. I'll reiterate my backstory if it helps. After Brexit and the rise of bullshit politicians and the failure of Jeremy Corbyn to beat a blatant liar and populist I decided that I would do something to try a right the obvious wrongs of that time. It was clear that Corbyn had fucked up both Brexit and Labour's chances of bringing about that change so I joined the Labour Party to get a vote in who their next leader was. That vote led to Starmer getting chosen as leader of the Labour party and then onwards to being PM. My goal was achieved to get the country back to the centre left of politics - Job done.
What I'm telling you now is that the last thing this country needs is instability and leadership elections, the Tories went down this route and disappeared up their own arsehole creating chaos and destruction everywhere. If someone comes up with a credible alternative within the Labour party then great, I'm all ears, but no-one is. I'm not a member of the Labour Party any more and don't have this inside track.
I do worry when you use figures to misinform such as above with the reasons for last weeks stock market issues (it was all over the press about tech sector problems with spend on AI and a lot of cold feet investors causing a dip) to evidence instability caused to fit your narrative (a very weak one based on a selective choice of dates following a good long period of growth). You're not stupid or even idealistic so it worries me when someone who can see the wider damage to the country is keen to pursue that goal because of political reasons.
Also if you think this isn't a drama driven by the press I'd like to draw a parallel to the lack of similar push when Johnson went off to Italy, ditching his security detail and with sensitive documents, to meet a former KGB agent.
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Right, so you not only can't name anyone competent to take over from Starmer from the Labour benches - a PM who has constantly U-turned and has properly embarrassed himself with his appointments from Mandelson to Sidiq, Haigh, Gwynne and more - but you're calling me pointing out that the political crap undermining market confidence with the week-long trend reversal as "misinforming" - on the topic of which the fears over AI were resolved by Thursday hence the S&P 500 gaining which was not reflected in LSE indexes.
And I thought Johnson was wholly unfit to lead, no idea why you're bringing that up. Is that seriously your bar?
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Director of Comms gone now.
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Is there anyone of any political persuasion fit to lead this country? I am sure there is but amongst the list of potential candidates being touted, is there any that would fill you with more confidence if handed the reins? And please don't say Fartage.
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02-09-2026, 11:35 AM
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(02-09-2026, 10:43 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: Right, so you not only can't name anyone competent to take over from Starmer from the Labour benches - a PM who has constantly U-turned and has properly embarrassed himself with his appointments from Mandelson to Sidiq, Haigh, Gwynne and more - but you're calling me pointing out that the political crap undermining market confidence with the week-long trend reversal as "misinforming" - on the topic of which the fears over AI were resolved by Thursday hence the S&P 500 gaining which was not reflected in LSE indexes.
And I thought Johnson was wholly unfit to lead, no idea why you're bringing that up. Is that seriously your bar?
To be clear on what I am saying:
Markets grow when we have stability - the last year on the FTSE has grown between 15- 20% including the blip of 'Independence Day'
The week we don't have stability the market struggles.
And you want the instability of a leadership challenge.
And the Johnson point was around the press focus comparatively to what we have going on at the moment.
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02-09-2026, 11:49 AM
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The LSE indexes have had strong growth for months as a shelter for whatever the fuck is happening in the US. Last week was caused due to the ineptitude of Starmer being exposed and the fallout of that ineptitude. That is 100% due to Number 10 knocking market confidence with a massive unforced error.
I want the stability of not being run by an idiot who has lost credibility, is being undermined by his own backbenchers constantly, is in an incredibly weak position that successors are being touted, is almost certainly not going to be PM after the next election and I have zero confidence in making the correct decisions due to him making stupid decisions that blow up in his face and cause the markets to lose confidence. I don't think you want to understand how much he has been undermined on this and the knock-on effects of that.
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It would help if you understood, or read, what I have posted. If there is a candidate that offers an alternative, who is that and what are their policies?
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It is nice to hear someone to the left of me so concerned about the markets.
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(02-09-2026, 11:57 AM)baggy1 Wrote: It would help if you understood, or read, what I have posted. If there is a candidate that offers an alternative, who is that and what are their policies?
No, I did read it and you're just sticking your fingers in your ears with your eyes shut and screaming lalalalalala. I do not vote Labour, you do. The lack of any support for anyone else to step up and carry this government forward from you is telling that you do not trust that there is anyone in the Labour Party capable of leading because it's obvious Starmer can't do that. We're on about someone who admitted trusting Peter fucking Mandelson, who couldn't immediately bin off McSweeney when it was obvious that he needed to go the same day Mandelson did, who has had to get rid of numerous ministerial appointments because he trusted the wrong people, who has constantly U-turned on headline policy and who the knives are out for by his backbenchers. This isn't stability.
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Again you are stating something that isn't true, I voted Labour and probably will do at the next opportunity but they aren't my football team, I'm not wedded to them until I die. You get very excited about what is stability despite what the real measures tell you. I can get a GP appointment easier now than I could a couple of years ago, NHS waiting lists are down, planning reform has gone through which should lead to more houses being built, tax loopholes are being closed, interest rates are down, and not that it matters in the way the press want it but immigration is down, investment is happening, we're managing to keep our heads above water internationally and despite your claim otherwise the markets are stable.
People don't care about issues that don't impact on them, Mandelson was a mistake that the PM has held his hands up to, has that changed anything in the UK on the day to day issues - no. The press care about these because it gets attention and causes drama - exactly what we don't need.
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