Mandelson

[Borin' Baggie]

I'm actually speechless at him calling the day Epstein got released as "Liberation Day". I can call him all sorts of names for his previous corrupt conduct, for destroying Dairy Milk but genuinely this is straight up disturbing and seditious.

McSweeney and everyone on the Labour right who facilitated his appointment as Ambassador deserves the sack and I genuinely think Starmer should resign because he's coming across as a massive fucking idiot after PMQs - this is up there with Johnson and Pincher.

[Derek Hardballs]

In such a divided country that is always going to be worry Shabs. The Labour Party will move back to the left (and losing elections) at some point leaving the middle ground open for a further party to emerge. Trying to be all things to all men in today’s world is near impossible. The Lib Dem’s have so much of an open goal if they could get their act together but they are afraid of the middle ground and the responsibility it brings.

Rubbish, Labour under Starmer and his dreadful advisers have moved the Labour right and lost those on the left who would if polls are to be believed mean they would be neck and neck with Reform. As long as Starmer or any right of centre Labour leader is in place they have no chance of winning those voters back. If they lose the next election then it’s Starmer, his advisers and centrist dad/blue Labour types that have opened the door to Reform by chasing votes they will never get from those who will vote Reform. It was an idiotic direction to take the party and the idea that it enabled them to win the last election is for the birds, they won simply by not being the Conservative Party. It nothing to do with McSweeney’s genius, policies or Starmer’s ahem charisma, which is why they lost suppprt in power so quickly, the support was more brittle than our central defence. 

You do like to think you’re a grown up and more savvy than others but I have been pointing out the fragility and folly of Starmer and co’s leadership and everything I said has been vindicated. You in the other hand have excused the principle free vacuum that is Starmer’s run Labour Party,

[Jacko]

B1 wasn't alone in labelling this government, the 'grown-ups' tbf...

[baggy1]

And yet no actual alternative from Dekka apart from ‘don’t like it’

You can’t go through life avoiding taking a stance and providing a solution because you might be wrong. Give us a solution Dekka.

[Derek Hardballs]

B1 wasn't alone in labelling this government, the 'grown-ups' tbf...

No, but he has been the only one that has continued to support the direction the Labour Party has taken so much on here. Others have moved away from that position.

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And yet no actual alternative from Dekka apart from ‘don’t like it’

Thats all you have left… keep clinging to it.

[Protheroe]

I'm actually speechless at him calling the day Epstein got released as "Liberation Day". I can call him all sorts of names for his previous corrupt conduct, for destroying Dairy Milk but genuinely this is straight up disturbing and seditious.

McSweeney and everyone on the Labour right who facilitated his appointment as Ambassador deserves the sack and I genuinely think Starmer should resign because he's coming across as a massive fucking idiot after PMQs - this is up there with Johnson and Pincher.

This.

[Tom Joad 25]

And yet no actual alternative from Dekka apart from ‘don’t like it’

I genuinely don't see an alternative to Labour, not that they have impressed me  Reform leading the polls despite containing those that naused everything up for years, there's the tories - or what's left of 'em, I'm not sure exactly what the LibDems are about and I can see the Greens getting huge support from the younger generation but being a bit sketchy on balancing the economy. It's not actually a great choice and I'm not overwhelmed with enthusiasm for any.

[baggy1]

It may have escaped your attention but me asking for an alternative is not me offering support for the incumbent. Your obsession with me has become embarrassing, I’m not clinging to anything, I would love someone to offer an alternative.

What appears to be forgotten is that the last 10 years of changes have left the country in a mess, and you want change now but in order to do that you need to outline what the change to will be.

[Protheroe]

It may have escaped your attention but me asking for an alternative is not me offering support for the incumbent. Your obsession with me has become embarrassing, I’m not clinging to anything, I would love someone to offer an alternative.

What appears to be forgotten is that the last 10 years of changes have left the country in a mess, and you want change now but in order to do that you need to outline what the change to will be.

It's not 10 years. It's 18 years. And the content of the emails from Mandelson to Epstein & Jes Staley illustrates that.

It was a venal time. Governments globally sold out to banks.

Everything problematic in our nation can be traced back to how the youngest (including the yet to be born) and least wealthy were betrayed by the party of the soft left.

Like alcoholism, until you accept what the problem is, then nothing will change. And you remain in The Matrix, believing that pulling a lever here and there will make everything alright, when what you actually need is a molotov cocktail.

[baggy1]

And yet no actual alternative from Dekka apart from ‘don’t like it’

I genuinely don't see an alternative to Labour, not that they have impressed me  Reform leading the polls despite containing those that naused everything up for years, there's the tories - or what's left of 'em, I'm not sure exactly what the LibDems are about and I can see the Greens getting huge support from the younger generation but being a bit sketchy on balancing the economy. It's not actually a great choice and I'm not overwhelmed with enthusiasm for any.

Exactly my thoughts Tom

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It may have escaped your attention but me asking for an alternative is not me offering support for the incumbent. Your obsession with me has become embarrassing, I’m not clinging to anything, I would love someone to offer an alternative.

What appears to be forgotten is that the last 10 years of changes have left the country in a mess, and you want change now but in order to do that you need to outline what the change to will be.

It's not 10 years. It's 18 years. And the content of the emails from Mandelson to Epstein & Jes Staley illustrates that.

It was a venal time. Governments globally sold out to banks.

Everything problematic in our nation can be traced back to how the youngest (including the yet to be born) and least wealthy were betrayed by the party of the soft left.

Like alcoholism, until you accept what the problem is, then nothing will change. And you remain in The Matrix, believing that pulling a lever here and there will make everything alright, when what you actually need is a molotov cocktail.

FFS Proth, can you show me on the dolly where the banker touched you.

I’m talking about the instability brought upon the country with changing the PM every few months.