Mandelson

[Derek Hardballs]

Tick Tock Starmer…

[baggy1]

How is it looking like every man for himself Tom? Mandelson has been identified as being a wrong un, has resigned from the Labour party before he was kicked out and the government has passed the details to the Police for investigation. How is that not enforcing standards and who else should have the standards enforced stringently.

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Tick Tock Starmer…

You must have to keep replacing the batteries on that clock the amount of times you've posted that.

[Derek Hardballs]

How is it looking like every man for himself Tom? Mandelson has been identified as being a wrong un, has resigned from the Labour party before he was kicked out and the government has passed the details to the Police for investigation. How is that not enforcing standards and who else should have the standards enforced stringently.

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Tick Tock Starmer…

You must have to keep replacing the batteries on that clock the amount of times you've posted that.

So your defending Starmer and McSweeney for employing the two time sacked Mandelson, ‘Prince of Darkness’ and then up until it was impossible continued their support of him. Starmer and McSweeney’s political judgement is embarrassing poor. I mean how shit does Starmer and his advisers have to be before you start realising Starmer is a problem not a solution.

[baggy1]

How is it looking like every man for himself Tom? Mandelson has been identified as being a wrong un, has resigned from the Labour party before he was kicked out and the government has passed the details to the Police for investigation. How is that not enforcing standards and who else should have the standards enforced stringently.

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Tick Tock Starmer…

You must have to keep replacing the batteries on that clock the amount of times you've posted that.

So your defending Starmer and McSweeney for employing the two time sacked Mandelson, ‘Prince of Darkness’ and then up until it was impossible continued their support of him. Starmer and McSweeney’s political judgement is embarrassing poor. I mean how shit does Starmer and his advisers have to be before you start realising Starmer is a problem not a solution.

I'm glad you raised this Dekka, lets see if you can follow through. And what is the solution?

[Tom Joad 25]

How is it looking like every man for himself Tom? Mandelson has been identified as being a wrong un, has resigned from the Labour party before he was kicked out and the government has passed the details to the Police for investigation. How is that not enforcing standards and who else should have the standards enforced stringently.

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Tick Tock Starmer…

You must have to keep replacing the batteries on that clock the amount of times you've posted that.

I was referring more to the Dispatch reports on local councillors as well as the alleged wrongdoing of Mandelson. I was quick enough to criticise Michelle Mone's shenanigans and Jenrick and his planning consents so I'd like to see swift action on any irregularities whatever the political colours.

[baggy1]

How is it looking like every man for himself Tom? Mandelson has been identified as being a wrong un, has resigned from the Labour party before he was kicked out and the government has passed the details to the Police for investigation. How is that not enforcing standards and who else should have the standards enforced stringently.

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Tick Tock Starmer…

You must have to keep replacing the batteries on that clock the amount of times you've posted that.

I was referring more to the Dispatch reports on local councillors as well as the alleged wrongdoing of Mandelson. I was quick enough to criticise Michelle Mone's shenanigans and Jenrick and his planning consents so I'd like to see swift action on any irregularities whatever the political colours.

So passing the information to the Police for investigation isn't enforcing standards in your view? Anyway don't interrupt Dekka he's about to give us the solution.

[Protheroe]

I'm not sure that makes sense Proth and pensions haven't got worse definitely (mine have all risen considerably in the last 12 months). You'll probably have to explain what you mean by worse. They've also reduced NHS waiting lists, brought underperforming train companies into private ownership, reduced immigration, brought stability to the markets, reduced heating bills and interest rates, introduced new workers rights and many more: https://fullfact.org/government-tracker/ . Amazingly a lot of that doesn't make the press for some reason.

You'll have to help me out with what the Labour government has done to directly increase the "value" of your pension.

My point is they've utterly shafted people on salary sacrifice, they've made anyone sentient alter their pension saving behaviour if they're at or above the IHT threshold. Most of all (and similarly to Student Loans) they've illustrated that you can't trust the government to stick to the terms of the contract you believed you had with them. 

They still haven't sorted out the doctors dispute. RAC hospitals won't be fixed for at least another decade. They've recreated the British Rail I used to work for - I can hardly contain my enthusiasm for rail travel in the future. They've lowered the rate at which the number of immigrants is rising. They've transferred the cost of energy into general taxation and will have to do much more of that in their crazed rush to destroy what remains of Britain's chemical industry. They apparently wish to crow about interest rates reducing at a time that inflation is still 75% above target. And they're destroying job opportunities will needless additional rights for workers.

I'm off to Spain in a couple of weeks to start looking for where we fancy moving in 5 years. I dread to think what state this place will be in by then.

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So your defending Starmer and McSweeney for employing the two time sacked Mandelson, ‘Prince of Darkness’ and then up until it was impossible continued their support of him. Starmer and McSweeney’s political judgement is embarrassing poor. I mean how shit does Starmer and his advisers have to be before you start realising Starmer is a problem not a solution.

I agree with Derek. The more that comes out about Mandelson, the stickier wicket Starmer is on. I think the clock is indeed ticking.

[baggy1]

I'm not sure that makes sense Proth and pensions haven't got worse definitely (mine have all risen considerably in the last 12 months). You'll probably have to explain what you mean by worse. They've also reduced NHS waiting lists, brought underperforming train companies into private ownership, reduced immigration, brought stability to the markets, reduced heating bills and interest rates, introduced new workers rights and many more: https://fullfact.org/government-tracker/ . Amazingly a lot of that doesn't make the press for some reason.

You'll have to help me out with what the Labour government has done to directly increase the "value" of your pension.

My point is they've utterly shafted people on salary sacrifice, they've made anyone sentient alter their pension saving behaviour if they're at or above the IHT threshold. Most of all (and similarly to Student Loans) they've illustrated that you can't trust the government to stick to the terms of the contract you believed you had with them. 

They still haven't sorted out the doctors dispute. RAC hospitals won't be fixed for at least another decade. They've recreated the British Rail I used to work for - I can hardly contain my enthusiasm for rail travel in the future. They've lowered the rate at which the number of immigrants is rising. They've transferred the cost of energy into general taxation and will have to do much more of that in their crazed rush to destroy what remains of Britain's chemical industry. They apparently wish to crow about interest rates reducing at a time that inflation is still 75% above target. And they're destroying job opportunities will needless additional rights for workers.

I'm off to Spain in a couple of weeks to start looking for where we fancy moving in 5 years. I dread to think what state this place will be in by then.

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So your defending Starmer and McSweeney for employing the two time sacked Mandelson, ‘Prince of Darkness’ and then up until it was impossible continued their support of him. Starmer and McSweeney’s political judgement is embarrassing poor. I mean how shit does Starmer and his advisers have to be before you start realising Starmer is a problem not a solution.

I agree with Derek. The more that comes out about Mandelson, the stickier wicket Starmer is on. I think the clock is indeed ticking.

The amount of bollocks in that post Proth is below you mate. Your 'they're never British' commentary is crass, and feeling sorry for anyone trying to avoid IHT through the back door of pensions is just being upset at a loophole closing. 

And off to the EU I see, oh how times have changed.

[Derek Hardballs]

How is it looking like every man for himself Tom? Mandelson has been identified as being a wrong un, has resigned from the Labour party before he was kicked out and the government has passed the details to the Police for investigation. How is that not enforcing standards and who else should have the standards enforced stringently.

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Tick Tock Starmer…

You must have to keep replacing the batteries on that clock the amount of times you've posted that.

I was referring more to the Dispatch reports on local councillors as well as the alleged wrongdoing of Mandelson. I was quick enough to criticise Michelle Mone's shenanigans and Jenrick and his planning consents so I'd like to see swift action on any irregularities whatever the political colours.

So passing the information to the Police for investigation isn't enforcing standards in your view? Anyway don't interrupt Dekka he's about to give us the solution.

At some point you will realise that your unwavering support for Starmer and co is akin to those you accused of being part of the cult of Johnson. You have absolutely no objectivity. The decision making by Starmer and McSweeney is so poor it beggars belief.

[baggy1]

Dekka - you have got so many things wrong here. I have no dog in the game any more and I don't think they are doing everything right, however I also do not feel that they are doing everything wrong. You've only got to see how upset Proth is to get an indication that they are closing a lot of the tax loopholes.

What is the solution? let's say Starmer goes tomorrow, what happens then?