Sandwell Councillor defects to Reform

[Ted Maul]

What Proth describes happening in a modern Western state is awful and shouldn't happen. But it is interesting how in this instance the emphasis is on the members of the wider (Jewish) community suffering, yet in other cases the emphasis is placed on the community to "weed out the bad eggs" I think was a quote from a former England cricket captain.

[Pipkins]

What does this actually mean? 

I'll spell it out. Jewish inhabitants of Western countries have been and are being thrown under the bus by progressives.

My friends' kids in North London go to school behind 20ft walls topped with razor wire and protected by security guards. The CST has over 2,000 volunteers working to protect places of worship and areas where large numbers of Jews gather. Why on Earth is this necessary in a modern Western state?

It's because extremists aided and abetted by useful progressive idiots have conspired to conflate the Israeli State's behaviour with international Jewry -  by allowing hate marches on our streets, and they are hate marches - week after week, month after month, then the utterly pointless posturing of recognising a Palestinian "State" which even the rulers of Gaza & the West Bank don't want (having rejected the notion every time its been offered). 

Extremists have used the freedoms they enjoy in this country to intimidate another minority, and worse. It's a fucking outrage that it is acceptable behaviour but unfortunately typical of high status progressive types, you know Squid the same folk who want to impose their will on my daughters' safety and dignity by letting men in frocks into their changing rooms.

It's just this sort of shit which is pushing otherwise reasonable people towards Reform, the other end of the extreme horseshoe.

What does it actually mean?

Our Jewish communities need to be defended now more than ever.

Youve hit the nail on the head 
Instead of folk on the left side listening addressing to the concerns from the middle side 
They just shout & intimidate so as to close down any debate 
So tye middle end up moving towards the right (Reform) as they feel they are only party listening to them 
This is a dangerous situation 

Take Lenny Henry for example
Not lived in black country for years so doesnt experience the issues of men harrassing women on streets of Dudley & Wolverhampton
Yet thinks its acceptable to call people racist because they object to these types coming to the UK

[Protheroe]

I'm not on board with MrP's economics and he has been proved absolutely wrong on BREXIT, but he has said nothing wrong on this thread. Many of you antizionist river to the sea mob accept harmful myths about Israel but you should recognise that HAMAS bullshit propaganda rests on demonstrable falsehoods and dubious data, claims of famine, deliberate civilian killings and genocide in Gaza, is just used to demonise and delegitimise the world’s only Jewish state and you've fallen it for hook line and sinker.

Here is footage of a 16 year old boy being shot dead, today in the West Bank by Israeli settlers.
The settlers are likely to face no legal or criminal consequences whatsoever for this, because the Israeli state view this behaviour as acceptable:

https://x.com/i/status/2000896388469596173

Yet you accuse others of falling for propaganda.


Proth - the Israeli state and the useful idiots who support them are the ones constantly conflating world Jewry with Israel.

Calling protests you don't like "hate marches" is banal and unconvincing.

As is claiming that we need to give the thumbs up to the genocide of Palestinians and Israel destabilising the whole region otherwise people will vote Reform.

I have to say that's just about the most facile post I've read on here for a while, and wholly ignorant of the day to day safety concerns of many of your fellow British citizens. 

You don't give a damn that my friends' kids are educated in a virtual prison, you don't care that my mate's son has been relentlessly harassed on campus at Liverpool University - that's the same mate whose friend was murdered in Manchester btw. You don't have an ounce of sympathy for the lived experience of British Jews anywhere in the UK.

The laundering of antisemitism (conscious or otherwise) by Western progressives as "opposition to Israel" means that you can't see our free liberal and tolerant society is the frog in the pot, slowly being boiled. 

And nowhere (again) have I said or implied that "we need to give the thumbs up to the genocide of Palestinians".

[Squid]

I'm not on board with MrP's economics and he has been proved absolutely wrong on BREXIT, but he has said nothing wrong on this thread. Many of you antizionist river to the sea mob accept harmful myths about Israel but you should recognise that HAMAS bullshit propaganda rests on demonstrable falsehoods and dubious data, claims of famine, deliberate civilian killings and genocide in Gaza, is just used to demonise and delegitimise the world’s only Jewish state and you've fallen it for hook line and sinker.

Here is footage of a 16 year old boy being shot dead, today in the West Bank by Israeli settlers.
The settlers are likely to face no legal or criminal consequences whatsoever for this, because the Israeli state view this behaviour as acceptable:

https://x.com/i/status/2000896388469596173

Yet you accuse others of falling for propaganda.


Proth - the Israeli state and the useful idiots who support them are the ones constantly conflating world Jewry with Israel.

Calling protests you don't like "hate marches" is banal and unconvincing.

As is claiming that we need to give the thumbs up to the genocide of Palestinians and Israel destabilising the whole region otherwise people will vote Reform.

I have to say that's just about the most facile post I've read on here for a while, and wholly ignorant of the day to day safety concerns of many of your fellow British citizens. 

You don't give a damn that my friends' kids are educated in a virtual prison, you don't care that my mate's son has been relentlessly harassed on campus at Liverpool University - that's the same mate whose friend was murdered in Manchester btw. You don't have an ounce of sympathy for the lived experience of British Jews anywhere in the UK.

The laundering of antisemitism (conscious or otherwise) by Western progressives as "opposition to Israel" means that you can't see our free liberal and tolerant society is the frog in the pot, slowly being boiled. 

And nowhere (again) have I said or implied that "we need to give the thumbs up to the genocide of Palestinians".

Proth,

You write grossly offensive screeds talking about "graduations of innocence" when discussing the killing of children and yet accuse others of lacking sympathy. 

People said on here months ago that Israel's barbaric actions and their insistence that they were conducting those actions on behalf of the global population of Jews, would only make  Jews more unsafe. You called anyone saying that antisemitic and then said as you always do "What did you expect Israel to do?", which 1) Completely ignores the fact the genocide is inexcusable and 2) that Israel has been killing Palestinian children long before October 2023 and continues to kill children in the West Bank (which is not a war zone, yey oddly none of those children made it into your list of innocents either)

You call publicly-expressed objections to Israel's actions "hate marches". In fact, pretty much anyone objecting to what Israel is doing gets called antisemitic, hateful or stupid by you. 
So if you wish to eliminate all publicly expressed opposition to the genocide in Gaza and you frequently argue that Israel had no other choice, what else can that be but a big thumbs up to the genocide of Palestinians? The only way you could possibly argue otherwise is if, like Ponti, in the face of considerable evidence to the contrary,  you deny that any such genocide is taking place. 

To be clear, I don't believe anyone should be harassed on campus and I find it tragic that children in Jewish schools require such high levels of security. But allowing Israel free rein to massacre Palestinians will not make any of that better. And all the supposed "Friends of Israel" who claim otherwise and so vocally, really, really aren't friends of the Jewish people at all.

[tHEgLASSdOORS]

Nail on the head squid

I’m just impressed that Lenny Henry somehow got dragged into this thread in an earlier post. It’s a juncture I definitely didn’t foresee.

[CarlosCorbewrong]

Nail on the head squid

I’m just impressed that Lenny Henry somehow got dragged into this thread in an earlier post. It’s a juncture I definitely didn’t foresee.

You didn’t see the link between people who dislike people like Lenny and voting Reform?

[tHEgLASSdOORS]

Frankly im angry he hasn’t seen the clear link between the streets of Dudley being a bit lively (wasn’t in the old days) and the need to find someone new to blame

[Protheroe]

I'm not on board with MrP's economics and he has been proved absolutely wrong on BREXIT, but he has said nothing wrong on this thread. Many of you antizionist river to the sea mob accept harmful myths about Israel but you should recognise that HAMAS bullshit propaganda rests on demonstrable falsehoods and dubious data, claims of famine, deliberate civilian killings and genocide in Gaza, is just used to demonise and delegitimise the world’s only Jewish state and you've fallen it for hook line and sinker.

Here is footage of a 16 year old boy being shot dead, today in the West Bank by Israeli settlers.
The settlers are likely to face no legal or criminal consequences whatsoever for this, because the Israeli state view this behaviour as acceptable:

https://x.com/i/status/2000896388469596173

Yet you accuse others of falling for propaganda.


Proth - the Israeli state and the useful idiots who support them are the ones constantly conflating world Jewry with Israel.

Calling protests you don't like "hate marches" is banal and unconvincing.

As is claiming that we need to give the thumbs up to the genocide of Palestinians and Israel destabilising the whole region otherwise people will vote Reform.

I have to say that's just about the most facile post I've read on here for a while, and wholly ignorant of the day to day safety concerns of many of your fellow British citizens. 

You don't give a damn that my friends' kids are educated in a virtual prison, you don't care that my mate's son has been relentlessly harassed on campus at Liverpool University - that's the same mate whose friend was murdered in Manchester btw. You don't have an ounce of sympathy for the lived experience of British Jews anywhere in the UK.

The laundering of antisemitism (conscious or otherwise) by Western progressives as "opposition to Israel" means that you can't see our free liberal and tolerant society is the frog in the pot, slowly being boiled. 

And nowhere (again) have I said or implied that "we need to give the thumbs up to the genocide of Palestinians".

Proth,

You write grossly offensive screeds talking about "graduations of innocence" when discussing the killing of children and yet accuse others of lacking sympathy. 

People said on here months ago that Israel's barbaric actions and their insistence that they were conducting those actions on behalf of the global population of Jews, would only make  Jews more unsafe. You called anyone saying that antisemitic and then said as you always do "What did you expect Israel to do?", which 1) Completely ignores the fact the genocide is inexcusable and 2) that Israel has been killing Palestinian children long before October 2023 and continues to kill children in the West Bank (which is not a war zone, yey oddly none of those children made it into your list of innocents either)

You call publicly-expressed objections to Israel's actions "hate marches". In fact, pretty much anyone objecting to what Israel is doing gets called antisemitic, hateful or stupid by you. 
So if you wish to eliminate all publicly expressed opposition to the genocide in Gaza and you frequently argue that Israel had no other choice, what else can that be but a big thumbs up to the genocide of Palestinians? The only way you could possibly argue otherwise is if, like Ponti, in the face of considerable evidence to the contrary,  you deny that any such genocide is taking place. 

To be clear, I don't believe anyone should be harassed on campus and I find it tragic that children in Jewish schools require such high levels of security. But allowing Israel free rein to massacre Palestinians will not make any of that better. And all the supposed "Friends of Israel" who claim otherwise and so vocally, really, really aren't friends of the Jewish people at all.

Thanks, you've proved my point - "People said on here months ago that Israel's barbaric actions and their insistence that they were conducting those actions on behalf of the global population of Jews, would only make  Jews more unsafe"

What does this mean? Exactly what I posted above -  anti-semitism is being laundered as "opposition to Israel". You people are falling for it hook, line and sinker. You are the extremists' useful idiots.


If the extremists in this country get their way - the destruction of the Israeli state - don't expect them to think twice about coming for your rights next.

[tHEgLASSdOORS]

Ahhh so we should just be sound with genocide because you misslabel calling out for what it is as anti-semitism.

It is some leap of insanity to blame the people speaking the truth about countless dead children for the unsurprising anger it has caused globally.

The problem lies with the actions of Hamas and the Israeli govt, not those who are confident to speak the truth. Though I’m sure you’d like that truth buried when you’ve been so consistently shown up about it for years on here. And that’s the real root of what you don’t like.

[baggy1]

Frankly im angry he hasn’t seen the clear link between the streets of Dudley being a bit lively (wasn’t in the old days) and the need to find someone new to blame

I did think that, I was brought up in Dudley and can honestly say that it wasn't as safe as is being portrayed. Not certain how far back we need to go to get to a point where women could walk the streets without any hassle.