Covid Vaccination ID

[baggiebuckster]

This is getting a bit looney toon now so I'll step out - you want a system that allows freedoms, the jabs allow those freedoms and there is a way of measuring it. There currently isn't another method of confirming a) you have had it, or b) the test completed is yours - definitely two things to look into but not in place yet.

Boosters are in place because they don't know how long the jabs will last, that's just common sense and until they know more then seems reasonable.

So how will they find out if the immunity from the jabs is still present? 

Isn't it likely to be the same way they find out if immunity is present in people who have had Covid?

[backsidebaggie]

This is getting a bit looney toon now so I'll step out - you want a system that allows freedoms, the jabs allow those freedoms and there is a way of measuring it. There currently isn't another method of confirming a) you have had it, or b) the test completed is yours - definitely two things to look into but not in place yet.

Boosters are in place because they don't know how long the jabs will last, that's just common sense and until they know more then seems reasonable.

So how will they find out if the immunity from the jabs is still present? 

Isn't it likely to be the same way they find out if immunity is present in people who have had Covid?

We won’t hear about that. That would be scientific. We only hear “follow the science” when it suits….

[backsidebaggie]

I’ll give you a clue. It’s not about the safety of you or the vulnerable….

What is it about?

Specifically, I don’t know. 

That is funny when you read it back btw 

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Or maybe they haven't currently got any way of recording if someone has had it effectively, or that the tests can be manipulated.

Yet for travel to many countries, both are allowable alternatives and can be recorded somehow for proof (an app I believe?). Amazing that.

Good to know, which countries allow having had it in a time period as ok to enter, I haven't seen that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co....718553.amp

How do I get the pass?
You can get the NHS Covid Pass either:

• two weeks after your second vaccine dose
  
  
• if you've had a negative PCR or lateral flow test result in the past 48 hours - and have reported it on the NHS website (this pass lasts for 48 hours after the result)
  
  
• if you have had a positive PCR test result within the past six months, and have finished self-isolating (this pass lasts for 180 days after the result)
  

The nhs app can show positive test in last 6 months for proof of recovery and hence antibodies… yet that’s not sufficient… well i never! Follow the science! Or be told what vaccines you must have and no alternative is fine, even if the science says it’s safer to be recovered than double jabbed.

I believe the EU travel pass also has all three options. Greece definitely has the three options. There’s many others. But not your local nightclub!

[baggy1]

This is getting a bit looney toon now so I'll step out - you want a system that allows freedoms, the jabs allow those freedoms and there is a way of measuring it. There currently isn't another method of confirming a) you have had it, or b) the test completed is yours - definitely two things to look into but not in place yet.

Boosters are in place because they don't know how long the jabs will last, that's just common sense and until they know more then seems reasonable.

So how will they find out if the immunity from the jabs is still present? 

Isn't it likely to be the same way they find out if immunity is present in people who have had Covid?

So basically you pair are saying that there is a system in place that measures what you want but you want more, and because that more isn't in place now you want nothing.

[backsidebaggie]

This is getting a bit looney toon now so I'll step out - you want a system that allows freedoms, the jabs allow those freedoms and there is a way of measuring it. There currently isn't another method of confirming a) you have had it, or b) the test completed is yours - definitely two things to look into but not in place yet.

Boosters are in place because they don't know how long the jabs will last, that's just common sense and until they know more then seems reasonable.

So how will they find out if the immunity from the jabs is still present? 

Isn't it likely to be the same way they find out if immunity is present in people who have had Covid?

So basically you pair are saying that there is a system in place that measures what you want but you want more, and because that more isn't in place now you want nothing.

I’m saying I believe in medical autonomy, and the governments explanations for not giving people the choice of vaccine or test or recovery is unscientific and complete bull shit. And the thin end of the wedge. We are highlighting the contradictions of the rules.

[baggy1]

This is getting a bit looney toon now so I'll step out - you want a system that allows freedoms, the jabs allow those freedoms and there is a way of measuring it. There currently isn't another method of confirming a) you have had it, or b) the test completed is yours - definitely two things to look into but not in place yet.

Boosters are in place because they don't know how long the jabs will last, that's just common sense and until they know more then seems reasonable.

So how will they find out if the immunity from the jabs is still present? 

Isn't it likely to be the same way they find out if immunity is present in people who have had Covid?

So basically you pair are saying that there is a system in place that measures what you want but you want more, and because that more isn't in place now you want nothing.

I’m saying I believe in medical autonomy, and the governments explanations for not giving people the choice of vaccine or test or recovery is unscientific and complete bull shit. And the thin end of the wedge. We are highlighting the contradictions of the rules.

And again not a problem with that, but we have seen the problems with testing results from the football so there is clearly not an effective way of measuring that, and there is currently no record of who has had it or not unless they were in hospital so we can't rely on that either.

My view is that if people haven't had both jabs then they should be allowed to pay to have a PCR test (as at the airport) but that is restrictive in cost for applying that to non-travel situations. Using one of the lateral flow tests are too open to abuse unless they do them before going in and wait for the result after half an hour - again not very practical. The three month rule for recovering also sounds like a good plan but that appears that you are advocating more government control as they will hold the records (as on the NHS app for covid) which appears to go against what you have said above.

So the choices appear to be - a) have both jabs; b) pay for a PCR test before entering a venue; c) turn up to a venue and be prepared to wait for half an hour in a 'holding zone' whilst your result is processed; and / or d) allow the government to add your medical records to the NHS app.

Or am I missing something?

[backsidebaggie]

This is getting a bit looney toon now so I'll step out - you want a system that allows freedoms, the jabs allow those freedoms and there is a way of measuring it. There currently isn't another method of confirming a) you have had it, or b) the test completed is yours - definitely two things to look into but not in place yet.

Boosters are in place because they don't know how long the jabs will last, that's just common sense and until they know more then seems reasonable.

So how will they find out if the immunity from the jabs is still present? 

Isn't it likely to be the same way they find out if immunity is present in people who have had Covid?

So basically you pair are saying that there is a system in place that measures what you want but you want more, and because that more isn't in place now you want nothing.

I’m saying I believe in medical autonomy, and the governments explanations for not giving people the choice of vaccine or test or recovery is unscientific and complete bull shit. And the thin end of the wedge. We are highlighting the contradictions of the rules.

And again not a problem with that, but we have seen the problems with testing results from the football so there is clearly not an effective way of measuring that, and there is currently no record of who has had it or not unless they were in hospital so we can't rely on that either.

My view is that if people haven't had both jabs then they should be allowed to pay to have a PCR test (as at the airport) but that is restrictive in cost for applying that to non-travel situations. Using one of the lateral flow tests are too open to abuse unless they do them before going in and wait for the result after half an hour - again not very practical. The three month rule for recovering also sounds like a good plan but that appears that you are advocating more government control as they will hold the records (as on the NHS app for covid) which appears to go against what you have said above.

So the choices appear to be - a) have both jabs; b) pay for a PCR test before entering a venue; c) turn up to a venue and be prepared to wait for half an hour in a 'holding zone' whilst your result is processed; and / or d) allow the government to add your medical records to the NHS app.

Or am I missing something?

The antigen test could be done that day surely. Like the nhs covid app allows? They’re not perfect but neither are vaccines. They’re open to abuse but again the vaccine isn’t perfect. Proof of a pcr test in the last 6 months on your records is not a huge deal…. And it certainly gives the option, that’s the point.

The antigen tests were apparently fairly successful at the test events I believe. There’s no reasons not to give these options. Other than control/financial ones. We’re at the top of a slippery slope, as bucks said.

[baggy1]

And again not a problem with that, but we have seen the problems with testing results from the football so there is clearly not an effective way of measuring that, and there is currently no record of who has had it or not unless they were in hospital so we can't rely on that either.

My view is that if people haven't had both jabs then they should be allowed to pay to have a PCR test (as at the airport) but that is restrictive in cost for applying that to non-travel situations. Using one of the lateral flow tests are too open to abuse unless they do them before going in and wait for the result after half an hour - again not very practical. The three month rule for recovering also sounds like a good plan but that appears that you are advocating more government control as they will hold the records (as on the NHS app for covid) which appears to go against what you have said above.

So the choices appear to be - a) have both jabs; b) pay for a PCR test before entering a venue; c) turn up to a venue and be prepared to wait for half an hour in a 'holding zone' whilst your result is processed; and / or d) allow the government to add your medical records to the NHS app.

Or am I missing something?

The antigen test could be done that day surely. Like the nhs covid app allows? They’re not perfect but neither are vaccines. They’re open to abuse but again the vaccine isn’t perfect. Proof of a pcr test in the last 6 months on your records is not a huge deal…. And it certainly gives the option, that’s the point.

The antigen tests were apparently fairly successful at the test events I believe. There’s no reasons not to give these options. Other than control/financial ones. We’re at the top of a slippery slope, as bucks said.

And that is the problem plus do you think that all nightclubs will have the resource and space to lay the testing area on? The simplest and least open to abuse is the jab but you seem to be bending over backwards to avoid having that as the best option. And don't antigen testing packs cost money (£60 in boots) - again that will be restrictive. This just seems impractical

[backsidebaggie]

And again not a problem with that, but we have seen the problems with testing results from the football so there is clearly not an effective way of measuring that, and there is currently no record of who has had it or not unless they were in hospital so we can't rely on that either.

My view is that if people haven't had both jabs then they should be allowed to pay to have a PCR test (as at the airport) but that is restrictive in cost for applying that to non-travel situations. Using one of the lateral flow tests are too open to abuse unless they do them before going in and wait for the result after half an hour - again not very practical. The three month rule for recovering also sounds like a good plan but that appears that you are advocating more government control as they will hold the records (as on the NHS app for covid) which appears to go against what you have said above.

So the choices appear to be - a) have both jabs; b) pay for a PCR test before entering a venue; c) turn up to a venue and be prepared to wait for half an hour in a 'holding zone' whilst your result is processed; and / or d) allow the government to add your medical records to the NHS app.

Or am I missing something?

The antigen test could be done that day surely. Like the nhs covid app allows? They’re not perfect but neither are vaccines. They’re open to abuse but again the vaccine isn’t perfect. Proof of a pcr test in the last 6 months on your records is not a huge deal…. And it certainly gives the option, that’s the point.

The antigen tests were apparently fairly successful at the test events I believe. There’s no reasons not to give these options. Other than control/financial ones. We’re at the top of a slippery slope, as bucks said.

And that is the problem plus do you think that all nightclubs will have the resource and space to lay the testing area on? The simplest and least open to abuse is the jab but you seem to be bending over backwards to avoid having that as the best option. And don't antigen testing packs cost money (£60 in boots) - again that will be restrictive. This just seems impractical

Antigen tests are the free ones they give out (another name for lateral flow). They could be done the same day, they don’t need a testing area.

In terms of open to abuse, vaccine proof apps will also be I suspect.

Jab only is the simplest yes, but it’s absolutely appalling coercion and won’t end at nightclubs. It’s the worst option because it is the most fundamental civil liberty there is. I hope there’s a massive backlash against this. I think people are sleepwalking into more government control and I think many will regret this later on. They are looking at it through a covid lens, but it’s way bigger than that. Medical autonomy is so important.

I think bending over backwards to give us the choice of what we put in our body is worth bending over backwards for. Extraordinary that anyone should think otherwise, but that’s only my opinion.

[Protheroe]

This is just getting ridiculous:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sports...tches.html