Sunday School

[Fido]

Well that depends on if you truly believe and seeing as the vicar truly does believe in the existence of god, he isn’t lying. Now if you said “someone who doesn’t believe the same thing as me” then you would have a point. 
Anyway people lie to kids all the time, tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, Father Christmas etc. I’m not a Christian but think it’s nice she is discovering ideas and spirituality for herself

Regardless of his beliefs or intentions he’s preaching things he can’t possibly know to be true. And lots of things that most definitely aren’t.  I think our kids can do without that. As for lying about tooth fairies and Father Christmas I doubt that any evil has ever come from that.

Plenty of people teach things they can’t possibly know are true or not. Science changes it’s mind every few years but presents what it knows at the time as fact. 
No evil has ever come from religion. The evil comes from the use of religion as a tool for the gaining and maintaining of power. Even religions such as Buddhism have been used as a front for this. The issue isn’t religion, it’s the misuse of religion. If religion didn’t exist, it would just be replaced with another power proxy.
Plenty of parents have got themselves into debt making sure their kids think Father Christmas thinks they have been good.

The difference is that science teaches what it knows at that time and is open to being proven wrong. It differs absolutely in the way that religion works. Of course people of low moral integrity will use any power to their own advantage but religion makes good people do bad things that they would normally never consider doing. It's naive to think otherwise. It's a poison and the sooner our schools and society are rid of it the richer will we be.

And yet societies without religions still have similar types of issues, which makes me think it's a human thing as opposed to a religious issue.

I'd also take a wider look at what some supposedly scientific people are saying these days before claiming "science teaches only the truth".

You might want to qualify that second sentence.

[Sotv]

Regardless of his beliefs or intentions he’s preaching things he can’t possibly know to be true. And lots of things that most definitely aren’t.  I think our kids can do without that. As for lying about tooth fairies and Father Christmas I doubt that any evil has ever come from that.

Plenty of people teach things they can’t possibly know are true or not. Science changes it’s mind every few years but presents what it knows at the time as fact. 
No evil has ever come from religion. The evil comes from the use of religion as a tool for the gaining and maintaining of power. Even religions such as Buddhism have been used as a front for this. The issue isn’t religion, it’s the misuse of religion. If religion didn’t exist, it would just be replaced with another power proxy.
Plenty of parents have got themselves into debt making sure their kids think Father Christmas thinks they have been good.

The difference is that science teaches what it knows at that time and is open to being proven wrong. It differs absolutely in the way that religion works. Of course people of low moral integrity will use any power to their own advantage but religion makes good people do bad things that they would normally never consider doing. It's naive to think otherwise. It's a poison and the sooner our schools and society are rid of it the richer will we be.

Oh I agree that religion can be terribly misused, but to suggest it’s a poison that we need to rid ourselves of risks stepping into bigotry and intolerance. The issue is the misuse of religion and conversely to your argument, there have been plenty of bad people who started doing good after finding religion. 
Not so sure on your science point, whilst what is true may change, the fact is that once something is “scientifically proven” then no one is allowed to argue with it without being dismissed as an idiot.

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My daughter decided she wanted to start going to the church over the rd from us and as it means we have a Sunday morning  to ourselves we said ok and she started going just before Christmas.
Now I’m not sure what they are teaching her there but she just came back and chanted “West Brom, West Brom, shit on villa”, so she’s definitely going next week!

You don’t want to spend time with your daughter?

What a stupid fucking comment, no wonder there are many on here who think you’re a prize prick.
How’s your villa in Crete?

I’m over there in two weeks. With the family, for family time.

Have a nice time, does it have a pool that you have to employ a local to keep clean?

[Derek Hardballs]

Unless you believe that religion text is written / narrated from by a supernatural being then you are putting your belief in a human construct, no different to believing in socialism or capitalism as a rule book.

[Fido]

Well that depends on if you truly believe and seeing as the vicar truly does believe in the existence of god, he isn’t lying. Now if you said “someone who doesn’t believe the same thing as me” then you would have a point. 
Anyway people lie to kids all the time, tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, Father Christmas etc. I’m not a Christian but think it’s nice she is discovering ideas and spirituality for herself

Regardless of his beliefs or intentions he’s preaching things he can’t possibly know to be true. And lots of things that most definitely aren’t.  I think our kids can do without that. As for lying about tooth fairies and Father Christmas I doubt that any evil has ever come from that.

Plenty of people teach things they can’t possibly know are true or not. Science changes it’s mind every few years but presents what it knows at the time as fact. 
No evil has ever come from religion. The evil comes from the use of religion as a tool for the gaining and maintaining of power. Even religions such as Buddhism have been used as a front for this. The issue isn’t religion, it’s the misuse of religion. If religion didn’t exist, it would just be replaced with another power proxy.
Plenty of parents have got themselves into debt making sure their kids think Father Christmas thinks they have been good.

The difference is that science teaches what it knows at that time and is open to being proven wrong. It differs absolutely in the way that religion works. Of course people of low moral integrity will use any power to their own advantage but religion makes good people do bad things that they would normally never consider doing. It's naive to think otherwise. It's a poison and the sooner our schools and society are rid of it the richer will we be.

Oh I agree that religion can be terribly misused, but to suggest it’s a poison that we need to rid ourselves of risks stepping into bigotry and intolerance. The issue is the misuse of religion and conversely to your argument, there have been plenty of bad people who started doing good after finding religion. So it’s not religion making people do bad things, it’s people manipulating religion in order to get others to do evil.
Not so sure on your science point, whilst what is true may change, the fact is that once something is “scientifically proven” then no one is allowed to argue with it without being dismissed as an idiot.

Wishful thinking can be nice but it's not a good way to lead one's life. I don't really care what people believe as long as it's not foisted upon me or my family. I may not agree with them and can't disprove what they believe in. If someone thinks there is a supernatural "being" then who am I to say if that is right or wrong? If someone tells me they have a direct link with what this being is thinking or what he approves of or disapproves of then I think the onus might be on them to indicate how they know this. As they can't I'd be reluctant to put my children in front of such a person.

[Duffers]

Threads like this are why I love this dump.

[baggpuss]

Unless you believe that religion text is written / narrated from by a supernatural being then you are putting your belief in a human construct, no different to believing in socialism or capitalism as a rule book.

[Penny Black Baggie]

Plenty of people teach things they can’t possibly know are true or not. Science changes it’s mind every few years but presents what it knows at the time as fact. 
No evil has ever come from religion. The evil comes from the use of religion as a tool for the gaining and maintaining of power. Even religions such as Buddhism have been used as a front for this. The issue isn’t religion, it’s the misuse of religion. If religion didn’t exist, it would just be replaced with another power proxy.
Plenty of parents have got themselves into debt making sure their kids think Father Christmas thinks they have been good.

The difference is that science teaches what it knows at that time and is open to being proven wrong. It differs absolutely in the way that religion works. Of course people of low moral integrity will use any power to their own advantage but religion makes good people do bad things that they would normally never consider doing. It's naive to think otherwise. It's a poison and the sooner our schools and society are rid of it the richer will we be.

Oh I agree that religion can be terribly misused, but to suggest it’s a poison that we need to rid ourselves of risks stepping into bigotry and intolerance. The issue is the misuse of religion and conversely to your argument, there have been plenty of bad people who started doing good after finding religion. 
Not so sure on your science point, whilst what is true may change, the fact is that once something is “scientifically proven” then no one is allowed to argue with it without being dismissed as an idiot.

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My daughter decided she wanted to start going to the church over the rd from us and as it means we have a Sunday morning  to ourselves we said ok and she started going just before Christmas.
Now I’m not sure what they are teaching her there but she just came back and chanted “West Brom, West Brom, shit on villa”, so she’s definitely going next week!

You don’t want to spend time with your daughter?

What a stupid fucking comment, no wonder there are many on here who think you’re a prize prick.
How’s your villa in Crete?

I’m over there in two weeks. With the family, for family time.

Have a nice time, does it have a pool that you have to employ a local to keep clean?

I have a couple of full timers working for me, why do you ask?

[Sotv]

Regardless of his beliefs or intentions he’s preaching things he can’t possibly know to be true. And lots of things that most definitely aren’t.  I think our kids can do without that. As for lying about tooth fairies and Father Christmas I doubt that any evil has ever come from that.

Plenty of people teach things they can’t possibly know are true or not. Science changes it’s mind every few years but presents what it knows at the time as fact. 
No evil has ever come from religion. The evil comes from the use of religion as a tool for the gaining and maintaining of power. Even religions such as Buddhism have been used as a front for this. The issue isn’t religion, it’s the misuse of religion. If religion didn’t exist, it would just be replaced with another power proxy.
Plenty of parents have got themselves into debt making sure their kids think Father Christmas thinks they have been good.

The difference is that science teaches what it knows at that time and is open to being proven wrong. It differs absolutely in the way that religion works. Of course people of low moral integrity will use any power to their own advantage but religion makes good people do bad things that they would normally never consider doing. It's naive to think otherwise. It's a poison and the sooner our schools and society are rid of it the richer will we be.

Oh I agree that religion can be terribly misused, but to suggest it’s a poison that we need to rid ourselves of risks stepping into bigotry and intolerance. The issue is the misuse of religion and conversely to your argument, there have been plenty of bad people who started doing good after finding religion. So it’s not religion making people do bad things, it’s people manipulating religion in order to get others to do evil.
Not so sure on your science point, whilst what is true may change, the fact is that once something is “scientifically proven” then no one is allowed to argue with it without being dismissed as an idiot.

Wishful thinking can be nice but it's not a good way to lead one's life. I don't really care what people believe as long as it's not foisted upon me or my family. I may not agree with them and can't disprove what they believe in. If someone thinks there is a supernatural "being" then who am I to say if that is right or wrong? If someone tells me they have a direct link with what this being is thinking or what he approves of or disapproves of then I think the onus might be on them to indicate how they know this. As they can't I'd be reluctant to put my children in front of such a person.

I agree to an extent but at her age it’s no different to sending her to someone telling stories. It’s a bit of Sunday school. Not sure where wishful thinking comes into this ? I think there have been plenty of theological arguments put forward by religious types for that, some more convincing than others. 
I’m just glad to have chosen a path that gives me the freedom to believe or not believe in certain beings and that the question of their existence is secondary to how useful I find it all.

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The difference is that science teaches what it knows at that time and is open to being proven wrong. It differs absolutely in the way that religion works. Of course people of low moral integrity will use any power to their own advantage but religion makes good people do bad things that they would normally never consider doing. It's naive to think otherwise. It's a poison and the sooner our schools and society are rid of it the richer will we be.

Oh I agree that religion can be terribly misused, but to suggest it’s a poison that we need to rid ourselves of risks stepping into bigotry and intolerance. The issue is the misuse of religion and conversely to your argument, there have been plenty of bad people who started doing good after finding religion. 
Not so sure on your science point, whilst what is true may change, the fact is that once something is “scientifically proven” then no one is allowed to argue with it without being dismissed as an idiot.

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You don’t want to spend time with your daughter?

What a stupid fucking comment, no wonder there are many on here who think you’re a prize prick.
How’s your villa in Crete?

I’m over there in two weeks. With the family, for family time.

Have a nice time, does it have a pool that you have to employ a local to keep clean?

I have a couple of full timers working for me, why do you ask?

2 people working full time to look after your villa? Fuck me, it must be bigger than the one in Witton.

[HeathAyIt]

Is he a priest?

I just cant advocate these organisations that collect sums of money from a gullible public to sustain inefficient and poorly procured & unnecessary services.

[The liquidator]

Cant believe why no one has said about not going to the local mosque instead.........racist bastards