04-14-2021, 04:09 PM
(04-14-2021, 03:37 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:(04-14-2021, 03:29 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(04-14-2021, 03:16 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:(04-14-2021, 03:11 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(04-14-2021, 11:36 AM)backsidebaggie Wrote: Lol, I know they’ll be introduced if numbers go up. That was exactly mine and Nick’s point. We got told this wouldn’t happen due to the vaccines. The numbers will go up. I’m not telling anyone what to do mate, people are entitled to do what they want with their bodies.
We are fucked. The division this is going to create is awful. I’m not going to be part of that division by telling people what to do. It’s none of my business. I’m afraid the distrust in government will only increase with contradictions like yesterday’s between Boris and Hancock’s statements.
But I firmly believe we’re not on the home straight as some think, I firmly believe the chaos hasn’t even started yet.
It's also the right of those who need care and medical help not not to have to be cared for or treated by people who refuse to have the vaccination. If those working in Care or Health don't want the vaccination fine do another job or let it be know to those you're caring / looking after that you don't wish to be vaccinated and let the client / customer decide if they are happy to be seen by them.
No it’s not, that’s not the law at present. And as I’ve asked a few weeks ago when we had this discussion, what’s your plan when, for example, 20% refuse. Sack them? The system will collapse. You hadn’t got a workable solution then so I’ll be interested to know if you’ve come up with one now.
As an aside, if you were ill with covid in hospital, or with anything else, would you refuse treatment from a non vaccinated doctor? Or would you take the treatment?
Defending the right of those that don't want to to be vaccinated and hiding behind the law is a cop-out and the height of irresponsibility. Rights come with responsibilities both are man made constructs and defending one but not holding people to the other damages society not strengthens it. You say you want out of the mess we are in as a society with regards to the pandemic but you are prolonging the problems by defending the rights of people to act in a way that will inevitably prolong the mess we are in.
Rights should not be separate to responsibilities, you haven't explained why someone should not have the right to be cared for, confident that, that person has been vaccinated? Particularly now evidence is mounting that vaccination does help to reduce transmission.
I’m just saying it’s unworkable. I dont think it’s a cop out, it’s simply the law. I have no opinion on whether they should have the vaccine, that’s up to them IMO.
I believe they don’t have the right not to be cared for by a vaccinated person in the same way as care home and nhs staff have never had to have the flu vaccine. I know covid is worse and more contagious, but the principle stands IMO.
But more importantly, I simply don’t think it’s workable. Simple as that. You haven’t come up with a workable solution so we’ll agree to disagree.
(04-14-2021, 03:29 PM)Birdman1811 Wrote: If you're talking about economical damage, yes we will feel that soon. But we won't be seeing lockdowns etc unless too many morons,and I won't change that phrasing, morons refuse the vaccine.
Fair enough, but this is the division that I’m talking about. Morons for disagreeing with you? Nice. So bucksters mom is a moron for not having the second jab after a possible reaction to the first? Really?!
In terms of economic damage, I think it’s going to be 100 times worse than most realise. I’d love to hear from anyone who knows a bit more about economics than I do though.
I completely and utterly disagree and it's putting the rights of some above others.