(08-28-2019, 04:00 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(08-28-2019, 03:53 PM)boingingjim Wrote:(08-28-2019, 07:06 AM)baggy1 Wrote:(08-28-2019, 06:29 AM)YBaggie Rick Wrote:(08-27-2019, 09:32 PM)baggy1 Wrote: Did you Bollox vote remain.
In response to the question - currently the problem we have is that there was a vote where comments and promises were made (I won’t put something in here about unicorns and candy floss but you get the idea), by having a vote now everyone would be voting on an understood concept. I would accept that result.
How the fuck do you know how I voted??
I voted remain, but I'm glad I'm not a whinging remoaner. Except the result and move on.
‘Accept’ what result? The one where a good proportion of just over 50% of the population voted on a concept they didn’t understand. Now that the facts are out there I will guarantee that tiny majority would be wiped out.
If you really think that people voted to leave with no deal in place being a real option then you are deluded. The liars and snake oil salesmen said getting a deal would be the easiest thing going, turns out they lied.
The ‘I voted remain’ line is billy bullshit to make out there are people out there that accept the ‘democratic’ will of the electorate, except that they don’t because they don’t want to put the known facts to that very electorate.
I perfectly understood the concept and the "facts" haven't changed. The Government even put out a white paper prior to the referendum stating what would happen if no deal was reached during the two years of the A50 enactment.
It's amazing that you can speak for 17.1m people and what they do and don't understand. To sit there and pretend that everyone on the remain side completely understands what the EU is, what it stands for and where it's going is to use a phrase alike to your turns, horse shit.
I don't need to speak for the 17.1M, I only need to speak for 650k of them because that is all the swing is. However you speak for them obviously stating that they all read and understood a white paper.
And as for those that voted remain - they didn't understand what the EU is, stands for and how it will end in a european superstate, all they needed to understand were the things spoonfed to them by a liberal elite, so don't try and question them. The UK was struggling because of years of Labour profligacy and a fair number of leavers voted as a protest against the way the country was being run (i have no evidence for this but thought i'd throw it in anyway) nothing to do with the EU and its blatant corruption
And your true colours are shining through.
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(08-28-2019, 09:04 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(08-28-2019, 08:46 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Corbyn doesn't want to remain part of the EU but, as you say, see's it as a route to power. The whole use of this pile of shit to get more power by the politicians is shameless and disgraceful. If ever there was an advert for how democracy gets abused this is it.
Forget a general election, forget a vote of no confidence, forget threatening to leave with no deal - just put the whole sorry mess to the public. Once that is sorted it is time to really rethink the way this country is run and make it about the public and not the fucking parties.
I agree but look how easily manipulated people are by the current showers of shite. Look at the state of the Brexit Party which imo is force for bad not good. Look at how suddenly anyone who voted leave ALWAYS wanted to go without a deal. Or Momentum setting the agenda for Labour. I’m politically homeless as are millions of others but some will allow themselves to airbrush the last decade out of their memory due to tribalism or a bit of a pay rise. It’ll still see the same cnuts voted in. Either it’s stupidity or utter selfishness that has prevailed in this country recently and I want no part of it.
but you're not easily manipulated like the rest of plebs are, eh Derek?