Beergate

[Ted Maul]

Anything that speeds up the removal of Kier Starmer as leader the better.

[Shabby Russian]

If Starmer does receive a sanction then ithink he has to resign.

But from what we know i don't think he will.

If he does it begs the question, were they not suppise to campaign in these elections, or were they suppose to work all day  and not eat.

But trying to make an equivalence between this and the myriad of transgressions at Downing Street is a bit if a stretch.

[Kit Kat Chunky]

If he resigns, then it puts immense pressure on Johnson. Could be tactical.

[Cunninghamismagic]

Listening to Nandy... complete denial. Complete inability from all parties to tell the truth

[Ossian]

Listening to Nandy... complete denial. Complete inability from all parties to tell the truth

At least this might allow her to take a rest from trashing the legacy of the only Labour leader to win a general election in nigh on 50 years.

[Protheroe]

Excuse the pun, but this is all froth. All it does is illustrate how utterly ridiculous these rules were in the first place.

[Sotv]

This is going to end up with Gurkha veterans being fined over a dinner with MPs, isn't it.

That said, if Starmer is fined he has to resign.

I agree on the resignation, not the Gurkha dinner.

If he did, where would that put Johnson and the Conservatives.

Probably laughing at the bloke who spent months making capital out of things like zoom call quizes and outdoor meetings having to resign for socialising indoors.
I'm still confused as to how Angela Rayner didn't know she was at the "work meeting" when she has spent months cricising Boris for not knowing he was at a party.

Well yes he probably would becayse he has no shame.

But in the real world, many would wonder why he hasn't resigned for far more egregious breaches of the lockdown rules. 

And in a win win situation for Labour it would give them the opportunity to offload a leader who is clearly not connecting with the electorate.

would that be the same lack of shame as calling for resignations when he knew all along he had been drinking beer with his mates?
In the real world, many are looking at Starmer and thinking what a slimy hypocrite he has turned out to be in all of this. 
I'm sure Derek and maybe yourself lectured me on the vacuousness of personality politics when i mentioned Starmer's issue was he wasn't getting his ideas across clearly a couple of months ago.

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If Starmer does receive a sanction then ithink he has to resign.

But from what we know i don't think he will.

If he does it begs the question, were they not suppise to campaign in these elections, or were they suppose to work all day  and not eat.

But trying to make an equivalence between this and the myriad of transgressions at Downing Street is a bit if a stretch.

I, along with many ordinary folk in this country take sandwiches to work and don't expect my employer to be buying me curry and beer.

[Derek Hardballs]

This is going to end up with Gurkha veterans being fined over a dinner with MPs, isn't it.

That said, if Starmer is fined he has to resign.

I agree on the resignation, not the Gurkha dinner.

If he did, where would that put Johnson and the Conservatives.

Probably laughing at the bloke who spent months making capital out of things like zoom call quizes and outdoor meetings having to resign for socialising indoors.
I'm still confused as to how Angela Rayner didn't know she was at the "work meeting" when she has spent months cricising Boris for not knowing he was at a party.

Well yes he probably would becayse he has no shame.

But in the real world, many would wonder why he hasn't resigned for far more egregious breaches of the lockdown rules. 

And in a win win situation for Labour it would give them the opportunity to offload a leader who is clearly not connecting with the electorate.

would that be the same lack of shame as calling for resignations when he knew all along he had been drinking beer with his mates?
In the real world, many are looking at Starmer and thinking what a slimy hypocrite he has turned out to be in all of this. 
I'm sure Derek and maybe yourself lectured me on the vacuousness of personality politics when i mentioned Starmer's issue was he wasn't getting his ideas across clearly a couple of months ago.

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If Starmer does receive a sanction then ithink he has to resign.

But from what we know i don't think he will.

If he does it begs the question, were they not suppise to campaign in these elections, or were they suppose to work all day  and not eat.

But trying to make an equivalence between this and the myriad of transgressions at Downing Street is a bit if a stretch.

I, along with many ordinary folk in this country take sandwiches to work and don't expect my employer to be buying me curry and beer.

Considering where the respective parties were two years ago, the turnaround of fortune currently for Mr populist Johnson and cabinet has been truly remarkable. 

If you begrudge the fact that Starmer drank a beer and ate a curry you’re going to be apocalyptic at the amount Johnson has spent of public and donor money on the finest of food and drink not to mention garish wallpaper since he became the PM.

I have no idea what has happened in Durham but I’m not going to take my lead morally from the Daily Mail who only last week used cropped photos of Starmer with the deceased Frank Dobson eating a curry in 2015 about a situation that occurred five years later.

[baggy1]

Absolutely Dekka, it shows how desperate the Tory apologists have become that despite them being able to blank out the continuous culture of lying, treating their mates to the publics money, abusing basically breaking every rule they set out for the pandemic whilst laughing and taking the piss constantly, they have jumped upon one moment of potential fault from Starmer with weeks of headlines.

Before you respond with faux indignation sotv have a read of this: https://boris-johnson-lies.com/ , it shows how much they care for the like of you and I and with what contempt they treat the truth.

This is the party that have led us down the path of breaking up the union more than any regional party could have done and yet Starmer drinking beer and having a curry after a day electioneering is somehow the headline.

[Derek Hardballs]

Adam Wagner, a barrister and a specialist in lockdown rules, posted a message on Twitter saying that the fact that Starmer’s meal was pre-planned did not undermine claims it was necessary for work reasons. “The fact it was pre-arranged with social distancing guidelines makes it more likely to be reasonably necessary not less,” he said.

He also argued that the event was analagous to the Downing Street gathering where Johnson and his staff were photographed drinking wine and eating cheese in the No 10 garden where they were said to be discussing work matters. That event was not investigated by the Metropolitan police, Wagner pointed out.