Covid Vaccination ID

[backsidebaggie]

Are people genuinely defending the state in its attempts at blackmail?

They are! And incredibly those who slate the government most (and I agree they deserve slating), are happy to hand over their medical autonomy to that same government and they think this will stop at covid jabs/nightclubs!

Mandate this to update your digital certification to live life with normal freedoms? And people are in favour of this? Wow!! FFS there is a bigger picture here. This was literally a conspiracy theory when covid first began! Amazing what fear does. Amazing.

OK lets break this down a bit, when you talk about medical autonomy and refer to 'think this will stop with ....', what do you think this will extend to? I would say that the general belief for the population is that the more people get jabbed the better, that isn't guided by fear, as you state, but common sense. The numbers of people in hospital is increasing and will soon lead to cancellation of other procedures that will impact on many more than covid sufferers if it continues in the upwards direction at the current pace. 

Covid is a very specific situation that requires very specific steps to control it, if we just let it run its course it will cause initial damage to the vulnerable and then have the opportunity to mutate and cause damage to other groups. We can say this with some confidence because that is what has happened already and is happening now.

What exactly is the bigger picture - do you expect the government to mandate that you have the MMR or TB jabs (do they still have TB jabs), or do you expect restrictions for other medical reasons? 

The public can see the damage to society because of covid which means it makes sense that if you can have the jab then you should, that understanding is not because I am afraid of covid, I'm in pretty good shape for an over 50 year old but I can see the need to protect others. We have nearly 4k in hospital which has doubled from 2k in 2 weeks, any lockdown will continue to see a rise for two more weeks which means that we are pretty much guaranteed at the same rate to hit 8k in a couple more weeks time. Because we are not going into a lockdown we will go over 10k in just over 2 or 3 weeks, this is the territory that operations get cancelled.

I think the average member of the public had had an enormous amount of fear drilled into them. The most for decades. Nothing on my lifetime has ever had this volume of news. Some people are very frightened despite their very low risk.

Yes the more that have the vaccine the better. But this has kept changing. First the over 50s and vulnerable. Then adults. Next children. The vaccine was supposed to get us back to normal. People on here told me months ago my predictions of winter lockdowns were doom mongering. Now despite massive uptake, restrictions are coming back soon (probably). The government told us in January vaccinate for freedom. Uptake is high but it’s still not enough. Yet keep trusting the government…

With the uptake as high as it is, if restrictions are coming back, then the government and Sage were totally wrong. They have said many times do this and we’ll beat the virus. First lockdown. Then lose November to save Xmas. Then lose Xmas to save Easter. And so on. Vaccination is the way out of this they said. Yet despite the huge uptake, it’s still not enough. We have to go blackmailing now.

Myself and baggie Nick said months ago this would happen and we were told no, the success of the vaccine action programme means the nhs will be able to cope. Well what happened to that?

I expect the government to try to mandate this jab, and an annual covid/flu booster. That’s my guess. And I’m absolutely confident that they’ll not have any investments in large pharmaceutical companies. Honest guv. And I’m sure the digital passes to get in places will honestly be for peoples safety. For the greater good, to look after them. After they’ve scared the shit out of them. Nothing to do with control, honest.

I like history and used to wonder how authoritarian governments, both far right and far left, got people onside. I can see it now, through fear and division. Piece of piss. The non vaxed are a threat to you! The Jews are a threat to you, said Adolf. An extreme example I know, but there’s some truth in it IMO. This is getting way out of hand. Fuck this government.