Covid Vaccination ID

[Derek Hardballs]

That is the crux of the matter bb, there are many people out there that can't have the vaccine but they are being put in a position because we have a situation where there aren't enough people that have been vaccinated (we can see that by hospital numbers going up). So effectively by people choosing not to have a jab (and as you say that is their choice) they are restricting the rights of those that can't have it.

I wouldn’t bother B1, I’ve been saying this for a year. It’s not difficult to comprehend but those who refuse the vaccine simply dismiss the vulnerable’s rights as not as important as their rights to do what the beep they like. It’s the height of selfishness and a mark of petulant child / man-baby.

BB will not say as much but his ott defence of those who won’t vaccinate does mean he favours their rights above those without a choice. It defies logic to argue against this conclusion.

People who want the vaccine can have it, as most of us have. If anyone vaccinated is still scared to ‘mix’ with others, they’re the bloody man babies. Absolutely ridiculous. Are they never going to go shopping again? Ask everyone in the milk aisle for their proof? Many of us have relatives who have died of influenza. They never demanded everyone got the influenza vax! They got it to reduce their chances of dying. Infectious disease is a risk and that’s life. 

You keep saying dismissing the right of the vulnerable as less important as their rights. Well you’re doing simply the other way round. Saying the vulnerable rights are more important than peoples choice over their body. That’s just as selfish.

This is about way more than covid. This is about medical autonomy. Is anyone really naive enough to think it’ll stop there? Really? A person may be happy to mandate or coerce this vaccine, but are you happy for the government to pick and choose your future vaccines as they wish taking away your choice? I’m not.

We don’t even know how long the vaccine lasts for!

I know they’re rare but no one seems to care about bad adverse reactions. Some say they’d be exempt, but it’s too late once some have found out they have a bad reaction!

This is insanity, but it seems to me 18 months of covid has got people living their life thinking of pretty much nothing else. Basically structuring the world around covid. Fear is very very powerful. I’m out.

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The vaccines that you need for certain jobs are just that… for certain jobs. They have also been around years and years. This will be nightclubs to start. Then pubs. Then restaurants. Then shops? And will it really end at the covid vaccine? Really? You must do this to update your passport to get in. Jesus.

This is about medical autonomy in the whole sense, not just covid.

12 months ago this was literally a conspiracy theory on social media. Literally. I laughed and said it would never happen.

Again you are simply condemning the most vulnerable to a life locked in their house if you do not try and encourage people to have the vaccine. What's the alternative for those people currently? You always ask me for solutions, what's yours for making the lives of the most vulnerable as normal possible? Rights should always come with responsibilities.

No! The vulnerable can have the vaccine! The vulnerable have always been vulnerable to infectious disease. It’s unfortunate but it’s a fact of life. That’s infectious disease for you. With them vaccinated, their chances of death are greatly reduced. With a 90% take up, their chances of illness are greatly reduced. With 100% take up they can still get covid!

You are simply handing medical control over to the government. Not for me. This is about more than covid.

No! There are many including children under 12 who are specifically but not exclusively vulnerable to Covid. The chance that they would die from a cold or flu for example are significantly smaller than if they caught Covid. Your tough-titty argument can easily be reversed for those perfectly fit and healthy people who can but refuse to have the vaccine, or the passport. You are simply putting the rights of the fittest ahead of the weakest in society. If you're comfortable with this and think rights always trump responsibilities then fair enough but I'm never going to agree or respect that decision. If I'm mistaken then I will apologise in advance.

The argument about 'Fear' is real for many families who could lose a child to Covid and to not even try and see it from their perspective is quire a slap in the face. Passports wouldn't even be on the agenda if people simply had the vaccine in sufficient numbers. We want our rights but we abdicate all responsibility to the rest of society!