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[baggy1]

It’s not me calling for change BB

[Derek Hardballs]

So you want 'change from' without knowing what the 'change to' is

I want a Labour Party that has principles, offers hope, doesn’t punch down and doesn’t sideline and ostracise the left of its party and voters. Starmer offers none of that and you’re beginning to sound very erm ‘least worst’. A phrase you used to scoff at, but are now fully embracing at least in spirit if not words. 

Do you really think Starmer is an election winner? He only won the last fugging one thanks to not being the Tories. All this bullshit about the genius of McSweeney has been shown to be nonsense as it always has been.

[Borin' Baggie]

No, it's everyone pointing out that the current PM is a wet fart who it turns out ignored security protocols to put someone who has already embarrassed two previous Labour PMs into our top diplomatic role as a political appointee and been embarrassed, and your reluctance to name even a single alternative makes people think you either still have confidence in Starmer somehow or that you don't trust anyone in Labour to replace someone who has come across as an idiot and I don't know which is concerning.

I can think of 5 Lib Dem MPs I want to replace Ed Davey in case he fucks off right off the top of my head without even thinking - Babarinde, Miller, Cooper, Martin and Sollom.

[baggy1]

And you are naive Dekka, sorry mate but you are. The country hasn't recovered from 2016 and the disaster and social civil war that erupted out of that, in fact it's much worse than that, we've become addicted to 24 hour politics news, you were posting on here excitedly about a political aide resigning minutes after it happened - think about that.

There needs to be a wider understanding that the country was (is) fucked from the worst political term in history barring the 2nd world war. We need a time of boring politicians that are going about rebuilding the state. Your need for adrenaline, pixie dust, and fairy tales is akin to those expecting Brexit to have delivered sunlit uplands.

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No, it's everyone pointing out that the current PM is a wet fart who it turns out ignored security protocols to put someone who has already embarrassed two previous Labour PMs into our top diplomatic role as a political appointee and been embarrassed, and your reluctance to name even a single alternative makes people think you either still have confidence in Starmer somehow or that you don't trust anyone in Labour to replace someone who has come across as an idiot and I don't know which is concerning.

I can think of 5 Lib Dem MPs I want to replace Ed Davey in case he fucks off right off the top of my head without even thinking - Babarinde, Miller, Cooper, Martin and Sollom.

As the stakes are much lower for the Lib Dems they can choose whoever they like. You seem to have fallen for Dekka's painting of me as a Starmer hardliner, my view is simple, we need stability. Changing leaders every 2 years doesn't bring that or confidence in the country from abroad.

[Borin' Baggie]

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No, it's everyone pointing out that the current PM is a wet fart who it turns out ignored security protocols to put someone who has already embarrassed two previous Labour PMs into our top diplomatic role as a political appointee and been embarrassed, and your reluctance to name even a single alternative makes people think you either still have confidence in Starmer somehow or that you don't trust anyone in Labour to replace someone who has come across as an idiot and I don't know which is concerning.

I can think of 5 Lib Dem MPs I want to replace Ed Davey in case he fucks off right off the top of my head without even thinking - Babarinde, Miller, Cooper, Martin and Sollom.

As the stakes are much lower for the Lib Dems they can choose whoever they like. You seem to have fallen for Dekka's painting of me as a Starmer hardliner, my view is simple, we need stability. Changing leaders every 2 years doesn't bring that or confidence in the country from abroad.

What doesn't inspire confidence is trusting Peter fucking Mandelson and then being the third PM to have been made a fool of them by him. And after the next general election I'm hoping that Labour don't fuck themselves out of a Lib-Lab pact which is looking very likely at the moment - which will be very bad for the country as it will mean Reform will have a majority or we will be in hung parliament with Reform as the largest party territory.

[baggy1]

And after that we have seen, for the 1st time since Cameron fucked us over, accountability. He made a mistake, he apologised and has leant from it by getting rid of the individual that pushed for the appointment. Sometimes it's as simple as that.

[Derek Hardballs]

B1 you love asking questions, so here’s the most pertinent one…

Do you think Starmer is an asset or hindrance to winning the next election? What are you hoping is going to happen in the next couple of years or so? That people that vote Tory or Reform think Labour are doing a good job and will give them another five years? Or are you thinking those who have left will suddenly switch back from the Greens under Starmer?

[baggy1]

I think stability and steady rebuilding is the only option to winning the next election. Waiting lists down, immigration down (IMO a problem), I can get an appointment at my doctors easily, removing tax loopholes that get the right wing press furious about, building homes (reform to planning laws kicking in now). I know it's boring but stability is the only way out of this.

And i'll go one further - I think Reform have peaked in popularity. I expect them to do well in the May elections due to turnout but I don't see them doing much beyond their current position as two things will happen, each of their arguments will dissipate and people will start to see how they actually operate in positions of power (as is happening in local govt now).

[Derek Hardballs]

I think stability and steady rebuilding is the only option to winning the next election. Waiting lists down, immigration down (IMO a problem), I can get an appointment at my doctors easily, removing tax loopholes that get the right wing press furious about, building homes (reform to planning laws kicking in now). I know it's boring but stability is the only way out of this.

Starmer will usher in a Reform Government, he will not win over Reform and Tory voters and he has lost left of centre voters. That leaves who? A small band of Blue Labour voters who occupy London and erm where else in significant numbers?

[baggy1]

No he won't Dekka, you might think so but that is mainly because you are addicted to political drama and are panicking. Reform want that panic, they want the discord because that is all they have. Starmer might be a little too boring and light on fairy tales for you, but he (or tbh anyone that would have lead the party through the last election) is exactly what the country needs at the momen (not changing), whether the country knows that or not.

I'd say he needs to get rid of Reeves and take a different tax approach, but maybe McSweeney going is the start of the next phase.