Reform- failed Tories who led the Brexit disaster

[PatelsPlatoon]

Honestly, anyone thinking of voting for them you really need to look yourself in the mirror.

If you think Brexit was good then by all means vote for them.

If you think the Tories, kicked out of power just 17 months ago, did well in over a decade then vote for Reform, because it's just full of Tories shitting themselves they are going to be out of a job so moving across.

I don't like this Labour government. So far they have been poor, but they've inherited a mess caused by Farage telling us to go for Brexit and the Tories who changed their leader as often as Watford change their manager.

All Reform have is hatred and blame, generally at hardworking people who happen to have some shade of brown skin. It'll also drive a wedge with Europe, who we need to be closer now than ever thanks to the orange one.

It'll be the UK equivalent of Trump and we are in for no end of trouble if these charlatans get their hands on the levers of power.

[Derek Hardballs]

Absolute whoppers the lot of them but sadly that’s where we are now as a country.

[Squid]

Absolute whoppers the lot of them but sadly that’s where we are now as a country.

Can't argue with that

[man in the corner shop]

Sunlit uplands my boy
A mere failure of statecraft and the wrong type of Brexit
Do keep up with the cultists on here
The Brexit benefits will be felt in the afterlife. Along with 17 virgins awaiting you.

[Pontificator]

Absolute whoppers the lot of them but sadly that’s where we are now as a country.

talking about whoppers.  

Nick Clegg – Deputy Prime Minister
Danny Alexander – Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Vince Cable – Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills
Chris Huhne – Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change (2010–2012)
Ed Davey – Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change (2012–2015)
Michael Moore – Secretary of State for Scotland (2010–2013)
Alistair Carmichael – Secretary of State for Scotland (2013–2015)
David Laws – Chief Secretary to the Treasury (2010)
Jo Swinson – Business Minister
Simon Hughes – Minister of State for Justice
Norman Lamb – Minister of State for Care and Support
Lord McNally – Minister of State for Justice / Leader of the Liberal Democrats in the House of Lords

[Derek Hardballs]

Absolute whoppers the lot of them but sadly that’s where we are now as a country.

talking about whoppers.  

Nick Clegg – Deputy Prime Minister
Danny Alexander – Chief Secretary to the Treasury
Vince Cable – Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills
Chris Huhne – Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change (2010–2012)
Ed Davey – Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change (2012–2015)
Michael Moore – Secretary of State for Scotland (2010–2013)
Alistair Carmichael – Secretary of State for Scotland (2013–2015)
David Laws – Chief Secretary to the Treasury (2010)
Jo Swinson – Business Minister
Simon Hughes – Minister of State for Justice
Norman Lamb – Minister of State for Care and Support
Lord McNally – Minister of State for Justice / Leader of the Liberal Democrats in the House of Lords

Ok…

[Borin' Baggie]

Someone's going to have a meltdown after the next election and they have to be nice to Lib Dem voters to prop up an unpopular Labour government that can't spend 5 seconds without u-turning

[Fido]

Someone's going to have a meltdown after the next election and they have to be nice to Lib Dem voters to prop up an unpopular Labour government that can't spend 5 seconds without u-turning

Our MP is Lib Dem and there's no other option for me, really. I know they're your crew and are closer to what they stand for, BB, but I'm still completely confused that in a world where Labour have not pulled up any trees (and built houses in their place), Tories are a complete mess and unvoteable and then the nasty party are gaining ever more ground that the Lib Dems have not made deep inroads into the political landscape. A Lib-Lab coalition is probably the most palatable solution but it seems to me that they are in no way prepared for something they should have, by now, set their sights on.

[Borin' Baggie]

Someone's going to have a meltdown after the next election and they have to be nice to Lib Dem voters to prop up an unpopular Labour government that can't spend 5 seconds without u-turning

Our MP is Lib Dem and there's no other option for me, really. I know they're your crew and are closer to what they stand for, BB, but I'm still completely confused that in a world where Labour have not pulled up any trees (and built houses in their place), Tories are a complete mess and unvoteable and then the nasty party are gaining ever more ground that the Lib Dems have not made deep inroads into the political landscape. A Lib-Lab coalition is probably the most palatable solution but it seems to me that they are in no way prepared for something they should have, by now, set their sights on.

The party has spent the last 6 years turning into the 1950s version of the Tory party but with more progressive social stances and they're focusing on local campaigns over national ones because the party do not have populist messages to cut through unlike Reform and the Greens and don't have the inertia of the Tories and Labour. That coupled with the most-Lib Dem friendly media outlets, the FT and Economist, being above party politics for the former and being pissed off the Lib Dems aren't perfect to them (even though I wager most of the editorial board voted them over Labour despite endorsing Labour at the last election, especially given how the articles about both parties have been since the last election).

Ultimately, do the British press want to talk about fundamental reforms to business rates and SDLT to transition them to a land value tax? I don't think they do, we've had the whole business rates fiasco and they never brought it up, just said that it was too high and would punish pubs. Do they want to talk about the social care crisis? Do they want to talk about the £100k tax trap? I don't think they do.

[Fido]

Someone's going to have a meltdown after the next election and they have to be nice to Lib Dem voters to prop up an unpopular Labour government that can't spend 5 seconds without u-turning

Our MP is Lib Dem and there's no other option for me, really. I know they're your crew and are closer to what they stand for, BB, but I'm still completely confused that in a world where Labour have not pulled up any trees (and built houses in their place), Tories are a complete mess and unvoteable and then the nasty party are gaining ever more ground that the Lib Dems have not made deep inroads into the political landscape. A Lib-Lab coalition is probably the most palatable solution but it seems to me that they are in no way prepared for something they should have, by now, set their sights on.

The party has spent the last 6 years turning into the 1950s version of the Tory party but with more progressive social stances and they're focusing on local campaigns over national ones because the party do not have populist messages to cut through unlike Reform and the Greens and don't have the inertia of the Tories and Labour. That coupled with the most-Lib Dem friendly media outlets, the FT and Economist, being above party politics for the former and being pissed off the Lib Dems aren't perfect to them (even though I wager most of the editorial board voted them over Labour despite endorsing Labour at the last election, especially given how the articles about both parties have been since the last election).

Ultimately, do the British press want to talk about fundamental reforms to business rates and SDLT to transition them to a land value tax? I don't think they do, we've had the whole business rates fiasco and they never brought it up, just said that it was too high and would punish pubs. Do they want to talk about the social care crisis? Do they want to talk about the £100k tax trap? I don't think they do.

So, in short, they have some decent ideas but their marketing is shit?