Drugs Policy
#1
With the majority of candidates for the leadership of the Tory pary now admitting to having dabbled in the past there does seem to be a change in the air.
 Last night's question time was also a bit of a watershed moment with nearly every panel member saying they had tried things and the Plaid Cymru guy was very impassioned about changing policy. 
What was really telling however was someone like Mark Reckless, who i thought may be the one panelist to give a more traditional line of argument also agreeing policy should change and cititng the benefits of taxing regulated sales.
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#2
It would raise money for the govt and potentially release police time - I'm quite in favour of legalising common recreational drugs for adults over a certain age as I believe people need to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions, but I have also seen the long term effects of cannabis on young people and young adults taking stuff that's much stronger than it was a couple of decades ago. On balance, I would say legalise some drugs for those 21 years of age or older to begin with - maybe a trial?
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#3
(06-14-2019, 04:32 PM)FenlandBoing Wrote: It would raise money for the govt and potentially release police time  - I'm quite in favour of legalising common recreational drugs for adults over a certain age as I believe people need to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions, but I have also seen the long term effects of cannabis on young people and young adults taking stuff that's much stronger than it was a couple of decades ago. On balance, I would say legalise some drugs for those 21 years of age or older to begin with - maybe a trial?

Agreed there may be consequences for some but personally i feel its overstated. I would also argue that the law is not a factor in young people choosing to take drugs or not, as evidenced by the fac tthat many do despite them being illegal. 
What's really inportant is we have some form of control over quality and distribution, we currently have none. If anyone thinks that police crackdowns etc have any effect whatsoever, they are deluded. 
A side effect of legalisation would be take away the cool rebellious factor as well, i know that when i 1st started smoking cannabis as a 13 year old kid, a big part of its appeal was how it was illegal and therefore somehow cool.
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#4
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#5
(06-14-2019, 04:45 PM)Sotv Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 04:32 PM)FenlandBoing Wrote: It would raise money for the govt and potentially release police time  - I'm quite in favour of legalising common recreational drugs for adults over a certain age as I believe people need to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions, but I have also seen the long term effects of cannabis on young people and young adults taking stuff that's much stronger than it was a couple of decades ago. On balance, I would say legalise some drugs for those 21 years of age or older to begin with - maybe a trial?

Agreed there may be consequences for some but personally i feel its overstated. I would also argue that the law is not a factor in young people choosing to take drugs or not, as evidenced by the fac tthat many do despite them being illegal. 
What's really inportant is we have some form of control over quality and distribution, we currently have none. If anyone thinks that police crackdowns etc have any effect whatsoever, they are deluded. 
A side effect of legalisation would be take away the cool rebellious factor as well, i know that when i 1st started smoking cannabis as a 13 year old kid, a big part of its appeal was how it was illegal and therefore somehow cool.

It won't take that rebellious side out for kids as it will still be illegal for U18s, it hasn't for smoking and drinking. But kids will be better educated about it and you'll be less likely to take MDMA as an 18 year old in a club that's cut with something nasty.

The legislation around it is absolutely barmy; psilocybin, cannabis and LSD are not lethal drugs. All three have clinical medical applications. Why are they all class A?

The Tories and Labour won't change their opinion on drugs legislation, they're too far gone. David Nutt and the stupidity surrounding medicinal cannabis here is testament to that.
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#6
(06-14-2019, 04:45 PM)Sotv Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 04:32 PM)FenlandBoing Wrote: It would raise money for the govt and potentially release police time  - I'm quite in favour of legalising common recreational drugs for adults over a certain age as I believe people need to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions, but I have also seen the long term effects of cannabis on young people and young adults taking stuff that's much stronger than it was a couple of decades ago. On balance, I would say legalise some drugs for those 21 years of age or older to begin with - maybe a trial?

Agreed there may be consequences for some but personally i feel its overstated. I would also argue that the law is not a factor in young people choosing to take drugs or not, as evidenced by the fac tthat many do despite them being illegal. 
What's really inportant is we have some form of control over quality and distribution, we currently have none. If anyone thinks that police crackdowns etc have any effect whatsoever, they are deluded. 
A side effect of legalisation would be take away the cool rebellious factor as well, i know that when i 1st started smoking cannabis as a 13 year old kid, a big part of its appeal was how it was illegal and therefore somehow cool.

Good points. Interestingly I think it's illegal to try and buy tobacco if you are under 18 but not sure anyone ever gets prosecuted for that lol !
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#7
(06-14-2019, 06:24 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 04:45 PM)Sotv Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 04:32 PM)FenlandBoing Wrote: It would raise money for the govt and potentially release police time  - I'm quite in favour of legalising common recreational drugs for adults over a certain age as I believe people need to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions, but I have also seen the long term effects of cannabis on young people and young adults taking stuff that's much stronger than it was a couple of decades ago. On balance, I would say legalise some drugs for those 21 years of age or older to begin with - maybe a trial?

Agreed there may be consequences for some but personally i feel its overstated. I would also argue that the law is not a factor in young people choosing to take drugs or not, as evidenced by the fac tthat many do despite them being illegal. 
What's really inportant is we have some form of control over quality and distribution, we currently have none. If anyone thinks that police crackdowns etc have any effect whatsoever, they are deluded. 
A side effect of legalisation would be take away the cool rebellious factor as well, i know that when i 1st started smoking cannabis as a 13 year old kid, a big part of its appeal was how it was illegal and therefore somehow cool.

It won't take that rebellious side out for kids as it will still be illegal for U18s, it hasn't for smoking and drinking. But kids will be better educated about it and you'll be less likely to take MDMA as an 18 year old in a club that's cut with something nasty.

The legislation around it is absolutely barmy; psilocybin, cannabis and LSD are not lethal drugs. All three have clinical medical applications. Why are they all class A?

The Tories and Labour won't change their opinion on drugs legislation, they're too far gone. David Nutt and the stupidity surrounding medicinal cannabis here is testament to that.
Your point about alcohol is a good one, I suppose it’s part of the British culture of getting shit faced that makes it attractive. 
Legislation is barmy, the legal status is what causes a good portion of the damage.
I’m not so sure there won’t be an adjustment to legislation. Nutt was quite a while back now and I think there has been a real sea change in attitudes. Dunno if you saw it but I was really struck with the tone on question time last night when the question was asked. It seems that as society is becoming more accepting, then so are those is positions of power. I think both Kinnock’s and the welsh guy (can’t be added to look his name up) point that they were products of the 90’s culture is very telling. 
Unlike the 60’s, where despite the impression that everyone was at it, the reality was most of Britain was still quite unadventurous, a very high proportion of those of us who were in our early 20’s during the rave era dabbled in all kinds of substances. In fact I’d go as far as to say that if you didn’t take drugs or knew someone who did in 90’s you are probably an exception! That is now feeding in to some of the more honest politicians thinking.
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#8
(06-14-2019, 08:06 PM)Sotv Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 06:24 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 04:45 PM)Sotv Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 04:32 PM)FenlandBoing Wrote: It would raise money for the govt and potentially release police time  - I'm quite in favour of legalising common recreational drugs for adults over a certain age as I believe people need to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions, but I have also seen the long term effects of cannabis on young people and young adults taking stuff that's much stronger than it was a couple of decades ago. On balance, I would say legalise some drugs for those 21 years of age or older to begin with - maybe a trial?

Agreed there may be consequences for some but personally i feel its overstated. I would also argue that the law is not a factor in young people choosing to take drugs or not, as evidenced by the fac tthat many do despite them being illegal. 
What's really inportant is we have some form of control over quality and distribution, we currently have none. If anyone thinks that police crackdowns etc have any effect whatsoever, they are deluded. 
A side effect of legalisation would be take away the cool rebellious factor as well, i know that when i 1st started smoking cannabis as a 13 year old kid, a big part of its appeal was how it was illegal and therefore somehow cool.

It won't take that rebellious side out for kids as it will still be illegal for U18s, it hasn't for smoking and drinking. But kids will be better educated about it and you'll be less likely to take MDMA as an 18 year old in a club that's cut with something nasty.

The legislation around it is absolutely barmy; psilocybin, cannabis and LSD are not lethal drugs. All three have clinical medical applications. Why are they all class A?

The Tories and Labour won't change their opinion on drugs legislation, they're too far gone. David Nutt and the stupidity surrounding medicinal cannabis here is testament to that.
Your point about alcohol is a good one, I suppose it’s part of the British culture of getting shit faced that makes it attractive. 
Legislation is barmy, the legal status is what causes a good portion of the damage.
I’m not so sure there won’t be an adjustment to legislation. Nutt was quite a while back now and I think there has been a real sea change in attitudes. Dunno if you saw it but I was really struck with the tone on question time last night when the question was asked. It seems that as society is becoming more accepting, then so are those is positions of power. I think both Kinnock’s and the welsh guy (can’t be added to look his name up) point that they were products of the 90’s culture is very telling. 
Unlike the 60’s, where despite the impression that everyone was at it, the reality was most of Britain was still quite unadventurous, a very high proportion of those of us who were in our early 20’s during the rave era dabbled in all kinds of substances. In fact I’d go as far as to say that if you didn’t take drugs or knew someone who did in 90’s you are probably an exception! That is now feeding in to some of the more honest politicians thinking.

My problem with legalising drugs is British culture...

We have an awful attitude to drink where the aim is to get as pissed as possible as fast as possible. Legalising class A drugs I doubt will see a more responsible use of them in this country. 

Is the theory that all the drug dealers will suddenly disappear from society, get a job and become valuable members of society? Or will they look for the next illegal / easy / lazy way to make money quick? 

The idea that taking the illegality away from drugs will make them less attractive I doubt very much. All it will do is legitimatise use to the same level as booze which we are already awful at handling as a nation. 

I’m not for or against legalising drugs but I’m extremely sceptical about contemporary British culture acting responsibly if it was normalised like alcohol. It’ll be lovely to have a choice of which substance to fuck yourself up with though, without fear of prosecution...
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#9
Seeing as most of the Tory contenders seem to be high a lot of the time the 'Confidence and Supply' deal with the DUP takes on a whole new meaning.
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#10
(06-15-2019, 09:09 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 08:06 PM)Sotv Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 06:24 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 04:45 PM)Sotv Wrote:
(06-14-2019, 04:32 PM)FenlandBoing Wrote: It would raise money for the govt and potentially release police time  - I'm quite in favour of legalising common recreational drugs for adults over a certain age as I believe people need to make their own decisions and be responsible for their own actions, but I have also seen the long term effects of cannabis on young people and young adults taking stuff that's much stronger than it was a couple of decades ago. On balance, I would say legalise some drugs for those 21 years of age or older to begin with - maybe a trial?

Agreed there may be consequences for some but personally i feel its overstated. I would also argue that the law is not a factor in young people choosing to take drugs or not, as evidenced by the fac tthat many do despite them being illegal. 
What's really inportant is we have some form of control over quality and distribution, we currently have none. If anyone thinks that police crackdowns etc have any effect whatsoever, they are deluded. 
A side effect of legalisation would be take away the cool rebellious factor as well, i know that when i 1st started smoking cannabis as a 13 year old kid, a big part of its appeal was how it was illegal and therefore somehow cool.

It won't take that rebellious side out for kids as it will still be illegal for U18s, it hasn't for smoking and drinking. But kids will be better educated about it and you'll be less likely to take MDMA as an 18 year old in a club that's cut with something nasty.

The legislation around it is absolutely barmy; psilocybin, cannabis and LSD are not lethal drugs. All three have clinical medical applications. Why are they all class A?

The Tories and Labour won't change their opinion on drugs legislation, they're too far gone. David Nutt and the stupidity surrounding medicinal cannabis here is testament to that.
Your point about alcohol is a good one, I suppose it’s part of the British culture of getting shit faced that makes it attractive. 
Legislation is barmy, the legal status is what causes a good portion of the damage.
I’m not so sure there won’t be an adjustment to legislation. Nutt was quite a while back now and I think there has been a real sea change in attitudes. Dunno if you saw it but I was really struck with the tone on question time last night when the question was asked. It seems that as society is becoming more accepting, then so are those is positions of power. I think both Kinnock’s and the welsh guy (can’t be added to look his name up) point that they were products of the 90’s culture is very telling. 
Unlike the 60’s, where despite the impression that everyone was at it, the reality was most of Britain was still quite unadventurous, a very high proportion of those of us who were in our early 20’s during the rave era dabbled in all kinds of substances. In fact I’d go as far as to say that if you didn’t take drugs or knew someone who did in 90’s you are probably an exception! That is now feeding in to some of the more honest politicians thinking.

My problem with legalising drugs is British culture...

We have an awful attitude to drink where the aim is to get as pissed as possible as fast as possible. Legalising class A drugs I doubt will see a more responsible use of them in this country. 

Is the theory that all the drug dealers will suddenly disappear from society, get a job and become valuable members of society? Or will they look for the next illegal / easy / lazy way to make money quick? 

The idea that taking the illegality away from drugs will make them less attractive I doubt very much. All it will do is legitimatise use to the same level as booze which we are already awful at handling as a nation. 

I’m not for or against legalising drugs but I’m extremely sceptical about contemporary British culture acting responsibly if it was normalised like alcohol. It’ll be lovely to have a choice of which substance to fuck yourself up with though, without fear of prosecution...

Derek posts sneering comments about the general public shocker .....
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