Two State Delusion

[Jacko]

We have recognised the legitimacy of a Palestinian state that is run by the PA and only the PA. We have opened formal diplomatic channels with the PA and only the PA. The entity that is irrelevant to the UK's recognition of Palestine are Hamas.

The PA are the sole Palestinian authority that is relevant to this decision, Hamas are not. I find the straw man of Hamas utterly pathetic in this conversation as it's solely brought up to detract from the actual decision.

Why has this decision been made now in your opinion? If it has nothing to do with Hamas?

[Shabby Russian]

We have recognised the legitimacy of a Palestinian state that is run by the PA and only the PA. We have opened formal diplomatic channels with the PA and only the PA. The entity that is irrelevant to the UK's recognition of Palestine are Hamas.

The PA are the sole Palestinian authority that is relevant to this decision, Hamas are not. I find the straw man of Hamas utterly pathetic in this conversation as it's solely brought up to detract from the actual decision.

Why has this decision been made now in your opinion? If it has nothing to do with Hamas?

The correct answer is because it is the right thing to do.

For Starmer because it is politically expedient.

[Borin' Baggie]

We have recognised the legitimacy of a Palestinian state that is run by the PA and only the PA. We have opened formal diplomatic channels with the PA and only the PA. The entity that is irrelevant to the UK's recognition of Palestine are Hamas.

The PA are the sole Palestinian authority that is relevant to this decision, Hamas are not. I find the straw man of Hamas utterly pathetic in this conversation as it's solely brought up to detract from the actual decision.

Why has this decision been made now in your opinion? If it has nothing to do with Hamas?

Because the Israeli government has completely lost all leave of their senses, were offered an ultimatum in order to knock some sense into them and ignored it.

[Jacko]

We have recognised the legitimacy of a Palestinian state that is run by the PA and only the PA. We have opened formal diplomatic channels with the PA and only the PA. The entity that is irrelevant to the UK's recognition of Palestine are Hamas.

The PA are the sole Palestinian authority that is relevant to this decision, Hamas are not. I find the straw man of Hamas utterly pathetic in this conversation as it's solely brought up to detract from the actual decision.

Why has this decision been made now in your opinion? If it has nothing to do with Hamas?

Because the Israeli government has completely lost all leave of their senses, were offered an ultimatum in order to knock some sense into them and ignored it.

So they called our bluff and now we have nowhere left to go re negotiation?

To Shabs, was it not the right thing to do for the past 37 years?

[Borin' Baggie]

If they aren't backing down now when are they backing down?

The next step is economic sanctions and if the Israeli electorate decide to re-elect that shower of shit then we absolutely should be going all steam ahead on that.

[Squid]

We have recognised the legitimacy of a Palestinian state that is run by the PA and only the PA. We have opened formal diplomatic channels with the PA and only the PA. The entity that is irrelevant to the UK's recognition of Palestine are Hamas.

The PA are the sole Palestinian authority that is relevant to this decision, Hamas are not. I find the straw man of Hamas utterly pathetic in this conversation as it's solely brought up to detract from the actual decision.

Why has this decision been made now in your opinion? If it has nothing to do with Hamas?

Because the Israeli government has completely lost all leave of their senses, were offered an ultimatum in order to knock some sense into them and ignored it.

I would also add that the Israeli state is facing very credible and repeated claims of conducting actual genocide. That also makes finding some sort of off-ramp more pressing. 

The majority of Palestinans live in the West Bank, under the PA, which is fully co-operative with the Israeli state. It is wrong for a supposed "Liberal Western democracy" as Israel claims to be, to keep that population perpetually stateless and disenfranchised.

Since Israel will never give them citizenship, then they need to accept the existence of a Palestinian state.

[Protheroe]

You have no demands on the PA because they have consistently done the things that the people with the same mindset as you, have wanted them to do.

I have no demands on the PA because they are irrelevant in the current circumstances to any future Palestinian state. I don't see what's so difficult to comprehend about this. Starmer deliberately and directly set out his position around Gaza. The PA is an irrelevance in Gaza, and is unlikely ever to be relevant in future such is the schism between factions.

The Palestinian Leadership has been offered statehood and has rejected it. Why? Because peace would render them irrelevant and rob them of power. At least Hamas is honest about this.

[Squid]

You have no demands on the PA because they have consistently done the things that the people with the same mindset as you, have wanted them to do.

I have no demands on the PA because they are irrelevant in the current circumstances to any future Palestinian state. I don't see what's so difficult to comprehend about this. Starmer deliberately and directly set out his position around Gaza. The PA is an irrelevance in Gaza, and is unlikely ever to be relevant in future such is the schism between factions.

The Palestinian Leadership has been offered statehood and has rejected it. Why? Because peace would render them irrelevant and rob them of power. At least Hamas is honest about this.

By that reasoning, the UK and Irish governments should have permanently ceased peace negotiations when the Sunningdale Agreement failed miserably.

[tHEgLASSdOORS]

It’s like an amalgam of deflection, diversion and semi flacid wiggling all in one. Bravo.

[Protheroe]

You have no demands on the PA because they have consistently done the things that the people with the same mindset as you, have wanted them to do.

I have no demands on the PA because they are irrelevant in the current circumstances to any future Palestinian state. I don't see what's so difficult to comprehend about this. Starmer deliberately and directly set out his position around Gaza. The PA is an irrelevance in Gaza, and is unlikely ever to be relevant in future such is the schism between factions.

The Palestinian Leadership has been offered statehood and has rejected it. Why? Because peace would render them irrelevant and rob them of power. At least Hamas is honest about this.

By that reasoning, the UK and Irish governments should have permanently ceased peace negotiations when the Sunningdale Agreement failed miserably.

What a fatuous statement. The two situations aren’t comparable in the slightest.

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Pretty impressive they've managed to get the Canadian and Australian governments to help out with internal Labour Party politics as well.

Don’t forget Morocco which is occupying Western Sahara, China which is occupying Tibet and Russia which is occupying parts of Ukraine.