Two State Delusion

[Elon's Musk]

Steve laxley lennon having a meltdown on twitter is brilliant. The fucking ziocunt.

[Borin' Baggie]

What conditions do you want to apply to the PA? What conditions do you think the PA can meet?

Super deflection. I’m more concerned about the group claiming vindication for 7/10 tbh

You mean the thing that that has fuck all to do with this because the group that perpetrated that has zero diplomatic access to the UK through this? 

If you want to argue under there should be conditions I want to know what those conditions should be because treating the PA as though they have control over Hamas is insane. You and Matthew Syed are more than welcome to protest in front of wherever the Palestinian diplomatic mission is to be about releasing the hostages but you may get some weird looks because they've already called for their release.

[Protheroe]

What conditions do you want to apply to the PA? What conditions do you think the PA can meet?

Super deflection. I’m more concerned about the group claiming vindication for 7/10 tbh

You mean the thing that that has fuck all to do with this because the group that perpetrated that has zero diplomatic access to the UK through this? 

If you want to argue under there should be conditions I want to know what those conditions should be because treating the PA as though they have control over Hamas is insane. You and Matthew Syed are more than welcome to protest in front of wherever the Palestinian diplomatic mission is to be about releasing the hostages but you may get some weird looks because they've already called for their release.

The difference between you and I is that I'm looking at the Realpolitik of the situation. There is no chance of a 2 state solution in the current circumstances. If it wasn't possible under much more benign conditions (such as under Olmert) the it's truly dead in the water now. It's virtue signalling of the highest order in a vain attempt to appease a domestic political audience. Pitiful.

No child will get fed. No one will be spared a completely preventable death.

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Irrespective of the rights or wrongs of this decision (it's wrong). There won't be a Palestinian State in our lifetimes. Recognition or not, Hamas raped and burned the 2 state solution out of existence on October 7th.

Indeed.

[Borin' Baggie]

You've avoided the question for an irrelevant ad hominem. I am well aware that the two-state solution is on hold until there is a change in government in Israel.

What conditions do you want applied to the PA for state recognition?

[Pontificator]

What conditions do you want to apply to the PA? What conditions do you think the PA can meet?

Super deflection. I’m more concerned about the group claiming vindication for 7/10 tbh

You mean the thing that that has fuck all to do with this because the group that perpetrated that has zero diplomatic access to the UK through this? 

If you want to argue under there should be conditions I want to know what those conditions should be because treating the PA as though they have control over Hamas is insane. You and Matthew Syed are more than welcome to protest in front of wherever the Palestinian diplomatic mission is to be about releasing the hostages but you may get some weird looks because they've already called for their release.

The difference between you and I is that I'm looking at the Realpolitik of the situation. There is no chance of a 2 state solution in the current circumstances. If it wasn't possible under much more benign conditions (such as under Olmert) the it's truly dead in the water now. It's virtue signalling of the highest order in a vain attempt to appease a domestic political audience. Pitiful.

No child will get fed. No one will be spared a completely preventable death.

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Irrespective of the rights or wrongs of this decision (it's wrong). There won't be a Palestinian State in our lifetimes. Recognition or not, Hamas raped and burned the 2 state solution out of existence on October 7th.

Indeed.

I am a card carrying Labour Party member and activist. I am happy to repeat Dan Hodges tweet: "One important thing to remember. Today’s recognition is nothing to do with diplomacy, security or even morality. It is solely about the electoral and internal priorities of the Labour Party" Like backing down over the winter fuel allowance and the welfare cuts they've lost the fucking plot. Syed is quite right too.

[Borin' Baggie]

Pretty impressive they've managed to get the Canadian and Australian governments to help out with internal Labour Party politics as well.

[Squid]

As if the "lawn-mowers" of the Israeli state ever had any intention of giving Palestine an independent state on 6th October 2023.

https://www.map.org.uk/news/archive/post...fugee-camp

The death toll in the West Bank was the highest since 2005, but no, apparently that peace-loving Israeli government was absolutely on the verge of granting Palestinian statehood.

[Derek Hardballs]

What conditions do you want to apply to the PA? What conditions do you think the PA can meet?

Super deflection. I’m more concerned about the group claiming vindication for 7/10 tbh

You mean the thing that that has fuck all to do with this because the group that perpetrated that has zero diplomatic access to the UK through this? 

If you want to argue under there should be conditions I want to know what those conditions should be because treating the PA as though they have control over Hamas is insane. You and Matthew Syed are more than welcome to protest in front of wherever the Palestinian diplomatic mission is to be about releasing the hostages but you may get some weird looks because they've already called for their release.

The difference between you and I is that I'm looking at the Realpolitik of the situation. There is no chance of a 2 state solution in the current circumstances. If it wasn't possible under much more benign conditions (such as under Olmert) the it's truly dead in the water now. It's virtue signalling of the highest order in a vain attempt to appease a domestic political audience. Pitiful.

No child will get fed. No one will be spared a completely preventable death.

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Irrespective of the rights or wrongs of this decision (it's wrong). There won't be a Palestinian State in our lifetimes. Recognition or not, Hamas raped and burned the 2 state solution out of existence on October 7th.

Indeed.

I am a card carrying Labour Party member and activist. I am happy to repeat Dan Hodges tweet: "One important thing to remember. Today’s recognition is nothing to do with diplomacy, security or even morality. It is solely about the electoral and internal priorities of the Labour Party" Like backing down over the winter fuel allowance and the welfare cuts they've lost the fucking plot. Syed is quite right too.

Come on Ponty what is the end game of all this fighting? I haven’t heard of one credible solution from anyone who is advocating continuing with military action.

[Protheroe]

I am a card carrying Labour Party member and activist. I am happy to repeat Dan Hodges tweet: "One important thing to remember. Today’s recognition is nothing to do with diplomacy, security or even morality. It is solely about the electoral and internal priorities of the Labour Party" Like backing down over the winter fuel allowance and the welfare cuts they've lost the fucking plot. Syed is quite right too.

Quite.

sO you'RE sAyiNG yOU SuPPoRT GenOCIde?

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You've avoided the question for an irrelevant ad hominem. I am well aware that the two-state solution is on hold until there is a change in government in Israel.

What conditions do you want applied to the PA for state recognition?

The PA has no authority in Gaza. This is performative politics about Gaza. The West Bank is irrelevant.

[Borin' Baggie]

The PA are the only authority that we have recognised. The diplomatic channels will be through the PA's representatives. Hamas are the ones that are irrelevant.

So I'll ask you again, what conditions should be applied to the PA?