Trump

[Protheroe]

So in short it will be pretty disastrous for the economy if he does what he says he'll do, despite the fact that he was voted in largely because people think he'll improve the economy?

Which is why he won't do everything he says he'll do. Rather like a reverse Starmer.

[Jacko]

Kisin has largely nailed it on X

[Borin' Baggie]

Kisin has largely nailed it on X

Right-wing edgelord argues strawmen.

[Jacko]

Kisin has largely nailed it on X

Right-wing edgelord argues strawmen.

That's a word salad Harris would be proud of. Kudos.

[Birdman1811]

Kisin has largely nailed it on X

Except a lot of that just isn't the case. They may think it, doesn't make it true.

[Borin' Baggie]

Kisin has largely nailed it on X

Right-wing edgelord argues strawmen.

That's a word salad Harris would be proud of. Kudos.

You literally posted a link to a fuckwit calling Britain and Europe socialist, linked net zero with managed decline when the circumstances of net zero in the US relate to energy infrastructure that has turbocharged growth in severely deprived areas like rural Texas and West Virginia, is pretending as though the US is the only country that has experienced inflation and is pretending as though the current incarnation of the Republican Party is about government overreach when their entire mantra is big statist intervention in both personal people's lives (abortion) and the economy (tariffs).

Kisin is a right-wing edgelord and that entire diatribe was straw manning.

[Jacko]

Kisin has largely nailed it on X

Right-wing edgelord argues strawmen.

That's a word salad Harris would be proud of. Kudos.

You literally posted a link to a fuckwit calling Britain and Europe socialist, linked net zero with managed decline when the circumstances of net zero in the US relate to energy infrastructure that has turbocharged growth in severely deprived areas like rural Texas and West Virginia, is pretending as though the US is the only country that has experienced inflation and is pretending as though the current incarnation of the Republican Party is about government overreach when their entire mantra is big statist intervention in both personal people's lives (abortion) and the economy (tariffs).

Kisin is a right-wing edgelord and that entire diatribe was straw manning.

You should get yourself on there. Really give him what for 

[Berthe of a Nation]

Other than getting richer by getting more government contracts and tax breaks,I wonder what malevolent Musk's end game is, as he can't be president himself, and they don't have enough in the senate or house of representatives to change that.

Maybe, he's just happy being puppet master.

Truth is though, and it's very sad indictment, but a competent white man would have beaten Trump, like Biden did.

It in my opinion Biden has to take some of the blame for hanging onto power so long and not let the democrats pick someone else the normal democratic way they do usually.

[Birdman1811]

For anyone not wanting to go to Twitter (I'll deadname it forever to piss Elon off.)

For my British and European friends who are "shocked" and "surprised", here are 10 reasons you didn't see this coming.

Read this short post and then read the replies from our American friends who will confirm what I'm saying.

1. Americans love their country and want it to be the best in the world. America is a nation of people who conquered a continent. They love strength. They love winning. Any leader who appeals to that has an automatic advantage. This is true, they are very keen to be seen as the best, and to be seen as winning, it makes them awful team mates a lot of the time, but there is also some credit with it too.

2. Unlike Europeans, Americans have not accepted managed decline. They don't have Net Zero here, they believe in producing their own energy and making it as cheap as possible because they know that their prosperity depends on it. Though some Net Zero implementations are an issue, and that's a separate debate, just ignoring climate change won't make it go away and stop, we, as a species do need to do something, and we've kicked the can down the road far enough now it's just smashing against a wall. Another debate for another time, but as true as this may be, it's not actually practical in reality, not without nuclear power.

3. Prices for most basic goods in the US have increased rapidly and are sky high. What the official statistics say about inflation and the reality of people's lives are not the same. Same as everywhere, and the sitting governments have had very little impact on that, it's a worldwide phenomena, and the worst of it caused by the guy they just voted back in.

4. Unlike you, Americans do not believe in socialism. They believe in meritocracy. They don't care about the super rich being super rich because they know that they live in a country where being super rich is available to anyone with the talent and drive to make it. They don't resent success, they celebrate it. Sort of true, they do believe in socialism for the rich though, massive corporate bailouts and government support for big business, just not for the main population.

5. Americans are the most pro-immigration people in the world. Read that again. Seriously, read it again. Americans love an immigrant success story. They want more talented immigrants to come to America. But they refuse to accept people coming illegally. They believe in having a border. No they aren't, yes they love a success story, but the way they want to fund education for immigrant heavy areas, which enables success tells you what they really think.

6. Americans are sensitive about racial issues and their country's imperfect history. They believe that those who are disadvantaged by the circumstances of their birth should be given the opportunity to succeed. What they reject, however, is the idea that in order to address the errors of the past new errors must be made. DEI is racist. They know it and they reject it precisely because they are not racist. Yes, that's why so many Americans will disown daughters for being with a black guy, so sensitive about racial issues, and why there is still a lot who think segregation was a good idea and needs to come back. Also why black areas receive significantly less school funding.

7. Americans are the most philosemitic nation on earth. October 7 and the pro-Hamas left's reaction shocked them to their very core because, among other things, they remember what 9/11 was like and they know jihad when they see it. Yeah fair, think that's true.

8. Americans are extremely practical people. They care about what works, not what sounds good. In Europe, we produce great writers and intellectuals. In America they produce (and attract) great engineers, businessmen and investors. Because of this, they care less about Trump's rhetoric than you do and more about his policies than you do. Why are American cars so poorly constructed and designed using old technology that was considered crap back then? There is absolutely no evidence backing this up at all. They're an economic crash away from losing those great investors to China. And then the rest, it's not because of any US behaviour that has attracted them, it's because they have the biggest economy, that's it.

9. Americans are deeply optimistic people. They hate negativity. The woke view of American history as a series of evils for which they must eternally apologise is utterly abhorrent to them. They believe in moving forward together, not endlessly obsessing about the past. Half truth, they are optimistic, due to point one, they don't work together well at all, the goal is to beat everyone else, constantly.

10. America is a country whose founding story is one of resistance to government overreach. They loathe unnecessary restrictions, regulations and control. They understand that freedom comes with the price of self-reliance and they pay it gladly. Yeah this is true, and that's one thing I've always got with the US, very against government, and I can support that, Trump doesn't believe it though, he wants more government.


So no, wouldn't say it got it right tbh.

[Brandywell]

I'm amazed that people are shocked and surprised he got in