It's The Ashes (again)

[AnelkasBeard]

Wasn't De Grandhomme dismissed by Pope in similar fashion last year? Not sure but someone will be sure to correct me.

I thought Sky were bang out of order even trying to compare the two events, I suppose when you have aussies part of the commentary team you must look for balance

CDG was wrapped on the pad, the appeal went up for LBW, he went to run, then turned back and was ran out when the ball went to gully and Pope threw the stumps down

Bairstow's dimissal today was like chalk and cheese, he's rubbed his foot on the crease after the ball has gone through to the keeper, trying to denote he's "in" and has walked down the pitch to his batting partner

By the laws he's out, Carey actualy hasn't done much wrong but to compare it to the CDG - Pope incident is utter bollocks

Cuzer

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How the fuck has Stokes not got man of the match???

Stokes team lost the dam test!!!..
Steve Smith’s contribution resulted in his team winning the test he rightly was MOM.

When did the winning player ever have to be MOM?

It's based on an individuals performance, not who won the game?

Cuzer

It is of course possible to be stumped after having got back, depending on when the keeper takes the bails off if the batter then leaves his crease again 

The only grey area today was whether the umpire had actually called over.  Stokes seemed to say in his interview that over had been called, but I think it was merely inferred by the umpire starting to prepare to hand the bowler his cap.

I completely agree with Prag, and also RS with his clip of Foakes stumping Balbirnie. Carey caught and threw in one fluid motion, there wasn't any tricking or acting to pretend it was dead. The fault is with Bairstow for not checking, and potentially the umpires for not explicitly calling over

I have far more issue with Smith and Starc claiming catches that were obviously grounded.

Incredible innings and effort by Stokes, just a shame he sliced one up in the air like that. If he'd pulled off the double ton to win the match, it would be hard to argue against it being the best innings ever batted.

Whilst I don't think Carey did much wrong, hopefully it galvanises and focuses this England team into playing how they previously did. Headingley should be fun!

[rsbaggy2]

It was anything but dull after Edgbaston, but it's positively crackling now. Headingley is going to be eye poppingly electric.

[Shabby Russian]

On that dismissal. 

I'm not a fan of it, but nor do I think it deserves the moral outrage it appears to have produced.

It seems Bairstow tried to do a similar thing earlier in the test...is it only against the spirit of the game if it is done successfully. 

If cricket fans want to complain about something, try the pitches. They are not doing enough for the bowlers. Both sides could and should have got over 500 in their first innings, not sure that makes for good test cricket.

The best 2 sessions I watched in this test..and sadly I didn't see any live yesterday...we're afternoon session on third day. The aussie batsmen tested by difficult conditions and good bowling. And the evening session on day 4. Initially great bowling by Starc and Cummins, and then great batting by Duckett and Stokes in difficult circumstances.

[AnelkasBeard]

On that dismissal. 

I'm not a fan of it, but nor do I think it deserves the moral outrage it appears to have produced.

It seems Bairstow tried to do a similar thing earlier in the test...is it only against the spirit of the game if it is done successfully. 

If cricket fans want to complain about something, try the pitches. They are not doing enough for the bowlers. Both sides could and should have got over 500 in their first innings, not sure that makes for good test cricket.

The best 2 sessions I watched in this test..and sadly I didn't see any live yesterday...we're afternoon session on third day. The aussie batsmen tested by difficult conditions and good bowling. And the evening session on day 4. Initially great bowling by Starc and Cummins, and then great batting by Duckett and Stokes in difficult circumstances.

Bairstow's attempt wasn't the same as Carey's. The instance in question, Marnus was batting out of his crease to try and mitigate a moving ball, thus gaining advantage of it. Bairstow was attempting to run him out/stump him, but Marnus dragged his foot back in anyway. All aware, all normal cricket stuff. YJB even stood up to the stumps when Jimmy was bowling later to stop Marnus batting out of his crease.

In the case of the Bairstow wicket, he wasn't trying to gain an advantage. But it's still stupid, and it's excellent from Carey. Like I said, I don't particularly have any issue with it. You're correct, the moral outrage about the situation is absolutely ridiculous.

[Ted Maul]

Bairstow's attempt wasn't the same as Carey's. The instance in question, Marnus was batting out of his crease to try and mitigate a moving ball, thus gaining advantage of it. Bairstow was attempting to run him out/stump him, but Marnus dragged his foot back in anyway. All aware, all normal cricket stuff. YJB even stood up to the stumps when Jimmy was bowling later to stop Marnus batting out of his crease.

In the case of the Bairstow wicket, he wasn't trying to gain an advantage. But it's still stupid, and it's excellent from Carey. Like I said, I don't particularly have any issue with it. You're correct, the moral outrage about the situation is absolutely ridiculous.

Not sure I agree on the outrage point. It's snide and smacked of a team who despite being miles better than England and more than capable of beating us without resorting to such tactics, were desperate and a bit scared. Not often I take the high ground on stuff like this, but I'm with Stokes - would I want to win like that, nope.

[wba13]

On that dismissal. 

I'm not a fan of it, but nor do I think it deserves the moral outrage it appears to have produced.

It seems Bairstow tried to do a similar thing earlier in the test...is it only against the spirit of the game if it is done successfully. 

If cricket fans want to complain about something, try the pitches. They are not doing enough for the bowlers. Both sides could and should have got over 500 in their first innings, not sure that makes for good test cricket.

The best 2 sessions I watched in this test..and sadly I didn't see any live yesterday...we're afternoon session on third day. The aussie batsmen tested by difficult conditions and good bowling. And the evening session on day 4. Initially great bowling by Starc and Cummins, and then great batting by Duckett and Stokes in difficult circumstances.

Bairstow's attempt wasn't the same as Carey's. The instance in question, Marnus was batting out of his crease to try and mitigate a moving ball, thus gaining advantage of it. Bairstow was attempting to run him out/stump him, but Marnus dragged his foot back in anyway. All aware, all normal cricket stuff. YJB even stood up to the stumps when Jimmy was bowling later to stop Marnus batting out of his crease.

In the case of the Bairstow wicket, he wasn't trying to gain an advantage. But it's still stupid, and it's excellent from Carey. Like I said, I don't particularly have any issue with it. You're correct, the moral outrage about the situation is absolutely ridiculous.

If the Aussies haven’t got the bottle to warn the batsman that that they will try to stump him it’s totally against the spirit of the game. If Carey was that concerned he should have sto up to the stumps to stop him, just like Bairstow did. 
Bairstow was not trying to take advantage of anything he was going to talk to his partner.
No matter what any of you think it’s totally against the spirit of the game, the Aussies only think this was ok because they did it. If the boot was on the other foot there would have been outrage.

[Fido]

On that dismissal. 

I'm not a fan of it, but nor do I think it deserves the moral outrage it appears to have produced.

It seems Bairstow tried to do a similar thing earlier in the test...is it only against the spirit of the game if it is done successfully. 

If cricket fans want to complain about something, try the pitches. They are not doing enough for the bowlers. Both sides could and should have got over 500 in their first innings, not sure that makes for good test cricket.

The best 2 sessions I watched in this test..and sadly I didn't see any live yesterday...we're afternoon session on third day. The aussie batsmen tested by difficult conditions and good bowling. And the evening session on day 4. Initially great bowling by Starc and Cummins, and then great batting by Duckett and Stokes in difficult circumstances.

Bairstow's attempt wasn't the same as Carey's. The instance in question, Marnus was batting out of his crease to try and mitigate a moving ball, thus gaining advantage of it. Bairstow was attempting to run him out/stump him, but Marnus dragged his foot back in anyway. All aware, all normal cricket stuff. YJB even stood up to the stumps when Jimmy was bowling later to stop Marnus batting out of his crease.

In the case of the Bairstow wicket, he wasn't trying to gain an advantage. But it's still stupid, and it's excellent from Carey. Like I said, I don't particularly have any issue with it. You're correct, the moral outrage about the situation is absolutely ridiculous.

If the Aussies haven’t got the bottle to warn the batsman that that they will try to stump him it’s totally against the spirit of the game. If Carey was that concerned he should have sto up to the stumps to stop him, just like Bairstow did. 
Bairstow was not trying to take advantage of anything he was going to talk to his partner.
No matter what any of you think it’s totally against the spirit of the game, the Aussies only think this was ok because they did it. If the boot was on the other foot there would have been outrage.

Agreed. Snidely bastards.

[AnelkasBeard]

I honestly hate it when "spirit of the game" is brought up. It's ridiculous and intangible, and just allows people to get bent out of shape when they don't like something. The term needs to be fucked off in to the Sun.

[Ted Maul]

I honestly hate it when "spirit of the game" is brought up. It's ridiculous and intangible, and just allows people to get bent out of shape when they don't like something. The term needs to be fucked off in to the Sun.

That's all well and good and is effectively the line that Australia have taken. I just hope they don't get all pissy and defensive (they already have) when people rightly call them out for being underhand, snidey, desperate cunts.

[SuperBob2002]

If we were 2-0 up in the series after Bairstow got Smith out in a similar way I'd be loving it. I genuinely can't get my head around why people are getting so upset about Australia playing to the rules and England ignoring the rules.

It's the equivalent of playing to the whistle in football.