UK Covid death toll

[keef]

Dekka just wonderd  do you still wear a mask when you go to the shrine
as you did before

[Derek Hardballs]

More warped logic. You’re an odd one.

You scoffed at free meals for children during lockdown. 
You were very vocal about vulnerable children missing education but those who are vulnerable to Covid and would be described as vulnerable generally due to disability and health you are prepared to abandon for the sake of your libertarian ideology. 
Since having the vaccine many middle aged men have suddenly become very brave when it comes to Covid, they weren’t so brave when there was no vaccine hence my point about more respect for libertarians who didn’t get the vaccine. There was no clamour to lift all restrictions when their health could be severely at risk. 

I doubt any family who have a vulnerable child or parent want to live under lockdown or restrictions, all they were doing was trying to keep their child or parent / family member safe in an environment that was increasingly unsafe thanks to Johnson making a personal / political choice rather than a public health driven decision to lift all restrictions.

[Protheroe]

I was very vocal about education, yes - and rightly so.

I can't recall suggesting the "abandonment" of Covid-vulnerable kids, but it's an unfortunate fact life that if your personal circumstances mean that you need to take more care to avoid infection then that is something you have to do. However, you shouldn't expect to impose those circumstances on the rest of our children who are not Covid-vulnerable.

Fair? No. But life's not fair.

The greater good would've been better served by having kids in school.

As for your vaccine comments they're just bizarre. For the vast vast majority of people their health was never "severely at risk".

[Derek Hardballs]

I was very vocal about education, yes - and rightly so.

I can't recall suggesting the "abandonment" of Covid-vulnerable kids, but it's an unfortunate fact life that if your personal circumstances mean that you need to take more care to avoid infection then that is something you have to do. However, you shouldn't expect to impose those circumstances  on the rest of our children who are not Covid-vulnerable.

Fair? No. But life's not fair.

The greater good would've been better served by having kids in school.

As for your vaccine comments they're just bizarre. For the vast vast majority of people their health was never "severely at risk".

That’s a crock of shit and just a libertarian being selfish which is essentially all it boils down to when you cut out the rhetoric, because one man’s freedom is another man’s prison. There had to be a compromise of peoples liberties at times to protect others, I appreciate this seem and alien concept to you. There was nothing to help families who had vulnerable members of their family still at risk because they were not over 12 or imuno compromised out in place, be that economically, educationally or socially by the government after the lockdowns ended and some minor in the grand scheme of things protections put in place like masks were lifted etc  What were those families meant to do? It’s better now for some as the vaccine is available to children under 12 but for nearly a year there was no protection, hardly any support and yet they had to listen to fuckwits banging on about their civil liberties being impinged on. 

Why did you have the vaccine then? It can’t be to protect others given your ideologically against this because it impinges on your freedoms.

[backsidebaggie]

DH I totally get why you are worried about protecting vulnerable family (and I think the delay in offering them the vaccine was appalling).

But the majority of the population were not significantly worried about their own risks pre vaccine. Summer 2020 people piled into places when they reopened. And the winter 20/21 lockdowns were widely ignored certainly in Birmingham, and this was before the under 50s were eligible for a vaccine. So most people weren’t scared for themselves prior to getting the vaccine.

I understand why you were worried for your vulnerable family, but you’re seriously misjudging the majority of the population if you think they only wanted to get on with life once they’d had a vaccine.

I’m not debating the rights and wrongs, I’m just telling you how it was for most folks. The winter lockdown was ignored by huge percentages, and that was pre vaccine for most. And when things were open pre vaccine, people piled into restaurants and pubs. Places were booked up in Birmingham.

[Protheroe]

Precisely. You're seeking to impose your personal circumstances on everyone else, and that's simply not acceptable Dekka. In fact it's exceptionally selfish and destructive to society.

I sympathise with your circumstances, but life is not fair.

[TTM2]

Not everyone had the luxury of locking themselves in the house for months at a time. For starters, the ones who did would’ve starved.

[Derek Hardballs]

Not everyone had the luxury of locking themselves in the house for months at a time. For starters, the ones who did would’ve starved.

Quite and many of those have had to live a torrid life where their family members don’t know whether they would bring a virus home that could seriously harm or kill their child, mother or father etc. Once furlough stopped or their employee demanded they worked they were left with this choice with little or no support.

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Precisely. You're seeking to impose your personal circumstances on everyone else, and that's simply not acceptable Dekka. In fact it's exceptionally selfish and destructive to society.

I sympathise with your circumstances, but life is not fair.

Don’t lecture me on selfishness, how you can have the brass neck to do so given your record of I’m alright Jack attitude over the years. Also don’t assume it’s about my personal circumstances it’s not it’s for those I work with or know who faced those problems.

[Protheroe]

Yes, your personal circumstances. Your family, or those your work with or those you know.

My business died for 6 months. I had no recourse to any funding from the state. I took 4 Alfa GTs apart to fill some time and make some money. Everyone has problems pal, we're no different - except I don't seek to impose further, deeper and longer lasting restrictions on anyone else's life or livelihood. You do. Tell me how that makes me selfish, and you apparently not selfish.

[TTM2]

Not everyone had the luxury of locking themselves in the house for months at a time. For starters, the ones who did would’ve starved.

Quite and many of those have had to live a torrid life where their family members don’t know whether they would bring a virus home that could seriously harm or kill their child, mother or father etc. Once furlough stopped or their employee demanded they worked they were left with this choice with little or no support.

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Precisely. You're seeking to impose your personal circumstances on everyone else, and that's simply not acceptable Dekka. In fact it's exceptionally selfish and destructive to society.

I sympathise with your circumstances, but life is not fair.

Don’t lecture me on selfishness, how you can have the brass neck to do so given your record of I’m alright Jack attitude over the years. Also don’t assume it’s about my personal circumstances it’s not it’s for those I work with or know who faced those problems.

My “lockdown” lasted 4 days when we worked out construction carried on, so off we went, little passes in hand. And thank god we did. 

Considering we are a tightly packed, overpopulated island our figures are nowhere near the politically motivated doomsday being touted, the facts back this up. There’s no scientific evidence that any further lockdown actions would’ve done a thing. 

I recall the screaming for a lockdown in January, the “Johnson variant” as it was touted. Turned out to be completely and utterly wrong.