UK Covid death toll

[Borin' Baggie]

I literally just said that they shouldn't be segregated, I'm opposed to the unilateral alteration of the social contract.

And yes, they're morons if they opt to not vaccinate children if the option is there and it's medically approved. If children aren't vaccinated then herd immunity is impossible. It isn't about the risk to children which those morons seem to hang onto. What really pisses me off is morons using their children as a cover for them being morons.

[Derek Hardballs]

Grandad what did you do to help stop the spread of the great Covid plague? Did you wear a mask? Did you keep your distance? Did you do lateral flow tests? Did you get vaccinated? No, I didn’t, that would be the thin end of the wedge and anyway I was young and healthy, and it was my body. Oh, ok Grandad, but what about other people? Well they took their chances! What even those less fortunate than you? Yes little one, that’s right.

You’re my hero Grandad!

[backsidebaggie]

I literally just said that they shouldn't be segregated, I'm opposed to the unilateral alteration of the social contract.

And yes, they're morons if they opt to not vaccinate children if the option is there and it's medically approved. If children aren't vaccinated then herd immunity is impossible. It isn't about the risk to children which those morons seem to hang onto. What really pisses me off is morons using their children as a cover for them being morons.

Sorry when I say you, I was meaning a question to everyone.

[keef]

Grandad what did you do to help stop the spread of the great Covid plague? Did you wear a mask? Did you keep your distance? Did you do lateral flow tests? Did you get vaccinated? No, I didn’t, that would be the thin end of the wedge and anyway I was young and healthy, and it was my body. Oh, ok Grandad, but what about other people? Well they took their chances! What even those less fortunate than you? Yes little one, that’s right.

You’re my hero Grandad!

I think thats the way  the older generation dealt  with spanish flue in 1918  and look how that ended up

[JOK]

Grandad what did you do to help stop the spread of the great Covid plague? Did you wear a mask? Did you keep your distance? Did you do lateral flow tests? Did you get vaccinated? No, I didn’t, that would be the thin end of the wedge and anyway I was young and healthy, and it was my body. Oh, ok Grandad, but what about other people? Well they took their chances! What even those less fortunate than you? Yes little one, that’s right.

You’re my hero Grandad!

I think thats the way  the older generation dealt  with spanish flue in 1918  and look how that ended up

     Really?


There was little they could do as there were no treatments or vaccines  for the flu and no antibiotics to treat the pneumonia.
Human biology and medical sciences were nowhere near as advanced as they are today. Without the modern electron microscopes and advances in research techniques there was no way they could find and develop a vaccine as rapidly as the scientists of today have.

There were not the multiple and rapid ways we have today to get information out to the general public and thanks to their education anyway, the majority of people were not as ‘aware’ as today’s people should be.

Resources of the day were already under great strain from another catastrophe. (Look it up if you are not aware of it)

In many countries, cities imposed curfews and banned public gatherings, including funerals. Schools, churches and theatres were closed.
Emphasis was placed on the importance of sanitising anything which might have come into contact with influenza. Public buildings and transport were fumigated regularly. Town’s Medical Officers arranged for free supplies of ‘disinfectant mixture’ for residents,

I would suggest, the “older generation” of the 1920s did the best they could with the knowledge and resources they had. I would also suggest that they were more socially responsible than today’s generation seem to be. And they certainly didn’t have an ‘I’m alright jack’ attitude as you are suggesting.

Finally, the 'Spanish' Flu mostly affected young adults; in their 20s to 30s; you could bet if that was the case with Covid there wouldn’t be the laisse a faire lag in vaccine take up and the ignoring of distancing amongst  that demographic that we have seen.

[Brentbaggie]

Grandad what did you do to help stop the spread of the great Covid plague? Did you wear a mask? Did you keep your distance? Did you do lateral flow tests? Did you get vaccinated? No, I didn’t, that would be the thin end of the wedge and anyway I was young and healthy, and it was my body. Oh, ok Grandad, but what about other people? Well they took their chances! What even those less fortunate than you? Yes little one, that’s right.

You’re my hero Grandad!

I think thats the way  the older generation dealt  with spanish flue in 1918  and look how that ended up

     Really?


There was little they could do as there were no treatments or vaccines  for the flu and no antibiotics to treat the pneumonia.
Human biology and medical sciences were nowhere near as advanced as they are today. Without the modern electron microscopes and advances in research techniques there was no way they could find and develop a vaccine as rapidly as the scientists of today have.

There were not the multiple and rapid ways we have today to get information out to the general public and thanks to their education anyway, the majority of people were not as ‘aware’ as today’s people should be.

Resources of the day were already under great strain from another catastrophe. (Look it up if you are not aware of it)

In many countries, cities imposed curfews and banned public gatherings, including funerals. Schools, churches and theatres were closed.
Emphasis was placed on the importance of sanitising anything which might have come into contact with influenza. Public buildings and transport were fumigated regularly. Town’s Medical Officers arranged for free supplies of ‘disinfectant mixture’ for residents,

I would suggest, the “older generation” of the 1920s did the best they could with the knowledge and resources they had. I would also suggest that they were more socially responsible than today’s generation seem to be. And they certainly didn’t have an ‘I’m alright jack’ attitude as you are suggesting.

Finally, the 'Spanish' Flu mostly affected young adults; in their 20s to 30s; you could bet if that was the case with Covid there wouldn’t be the laisse a faire lag in vaccine take up and the ignoring of distancing amongst  that demographic that we have seen.

+1.  And the short answer to the original question, Keef, "Quite well actually", given the above.  And it was over in less than 2 years.

[baggy1]

As we have bizarrely moved to Plan B for some 'unknown reason' it's probably worth a look at the figures to put some context on the decision (I'm struggling to find one btw).

As of this morning there are 6,053 people in hospital beds in England with covid, that is a 4% increase on last week when it stood at 5,829. This is the 1st week we have had an increase in over a month and it is a small one. To put some worst case scenarios into the mix, at the height of the increasing numbers (last November and this July) we were at 45% increases week on week. If we suddenly jump to those sort of increases then we will reach the peak of the hospitalisations (last January - c34K) in 5 weeks (mid-january). 

Don't get me wrong I can see the benefit of vaccine passports in the right circumstances, but there is nothing to indicate that these are the right circumstances. And using the South African figures to emphasise the potential growth rate is a bit disingenuous at South Africa has about 25% of it's population with even 1 dose if I'm correct with what I'm reading.

We all know what this is about and it has nothing to do with protection and all to do with distraction.

[Tom Joad]

Grandad what did you do to help stop the spread of the great Covid plague? Did you wear a mask? Did you keep your distance? Did you do lateral flow tests? Did you get vaccinated? No, I didn’t, that would be the thin end of the wedge and anyway I was young and healthy, and it was my body. Oh, ok Grandad, but what about other people? Well they took their chances! What even those less fortunate than you? Yes little one, that’s right.

You’re my hero Grandad!

I think thats the way  the older generation dealt  with spanish flue in 1918  and look how that ended up

     Really?


There was little they could do as there were no treatments or vaccines  for the flu and no antibiotics to treat the pneumonia.
Human biology and medical sciences were nowhere near as advanced as they are today. Without the modern electron microscopes and advances in research techniques there was no way they could find and develop a vaccine as rapidly as the scientists of today have.

There were not the multiple and rapid ways we have today to get information out to the general public and thanks to their education anyway, the majority of people were not as ‘aware’ as today’s people should be.

Resources of the day were already under great strain from another catastrophe. (Look it up if you are not aware of it)

In many countries, cities imposed curfews and banned public gatherings, including funerals. Schools, churches and theatres were closed.
Emphasis was placed on the importance of sanitising anything which might have come into contact with influenza. Public buildings and transport were fumigated regularly. Town’s Medical Officers arranged for free supplies of ‘disinfectant mixture’ for residents,

I would suggest, the “older generation” of the 1920s did the best they could with the knowledge and resources they had. I would also suggest that they were more socially responsible than today’s generation seem to be. And they certainly didn’t have an ‘I’m alright jack’ attitude as you are suggesting.

Finally, the 'Spanish' Flu mostly affected young adults; in their 20s to 30s; you could bet if that was the case with Covid there wouldn’t be the laisse a faire lag in vaccine take up and the ignoring of distancing amongst  that demographic that we have seen.

+1.  And the short answer to the original question, Keef, "Quite well actually", given the above.  And it was over in less than 2 years.

Forgive my ignorance.  Spanish flu was over in 2 years? Why was that, herd immunity, a less dangerous variant? How likely are we to witness Covid 19 becoming less threatening in time?  Genuine question, if anyone knows?

[keef]

Grandad what did you do to help stop the spread of the great Covid plague? Did you wear a mask? Did you keep your distance? Did you do lateral flow tests? Did you get vaccinated? No, I didn’t, that would be the thin end of the wedge and anyway I was young and healthy, and it was my body. Oh, ok Grandad, but what about other people? Well they took their chances! What even those less fortunate than you? Yes little one, that’s right.

You’re my hero Grandad!

I think thats the way  the older generation dealt  with spanish flue in 1918  and look how that ended up

     Really?


There was little they could do as there were no treatments or vaccines  for the flu and no antibiotics to treat the pneumonia.
Human biology and medical sciences were nowhere near as advanced as they are today. Without the modern electron microscopes and advances in research techniques there was no way they could find and develop a vaccine as rapidly as the scientists of today have.

There were not the multiple and rapid ways we have today to get information out to the general public and thanks to their education anyway, the majority of people were not as ‘aware’ as today’s people should be.

Resources of the day were already under great strain from another catastrophe. (Look it up if you are not aware of it)

In many countries, cities imposed curfews and banned public gatherings, including funerals. Schools, churches and theatres were closed.
Emphasis was placed on the importance of sanitising anything which might have come into contact with influenza. Public buildings and transport were fumigated regularly. Town’s Medical Officers arranged for free supplies of ‘disinfectant mixture’ for residents,

I would suggest, the “older generation” of the 1920s did the best they could with the knowledge and resources they had. I would also suggest that they were more socially responsible than today’s generation seem to be. And they certainly didn’t have an ‘I’m alright jack’ attitude as you are suggesting.

Finally, the 'Spanish' Flu mostly affected young adults; in their 20s to 30s; you could bet if that was the case with Covid there wouldn’t be the laisse a faire lag in vaccine take up and the ignoring of distancing amongst  that demographic that we have seen.

+1.  And the short answer to the original question, Keef, "Quite well actually", given the above.  And it was over in less than 2 years.

Forgive my ignorance.  Spanish flu was over in 2 years? Why was that, herd immunity, a less dangerous variant? How likely are we to witness Covid 19 becoming less threatening in time?  Genuine question, if anyone knows?

it  certainly  was not a less dangerous variant as it  had killed a estimated 50 million world wide and the virus is still in curculation today , who knows wether herd immunity got the better of it but it aint a problem any more.
if you got it a hundred years ago you were either immune or it killed you within 7 days sadly it it affected  more young  people
take a look at the history channel thats where i read this information

[Derek Hardballs]

Game changer…