"World Leaders" Of Today

[baggiebloke]

The biggest bunch of self-interest merchants of my lifetime.

[MassDebater]

The biggest bunch of self-interest merchants of my lifetime.

I don't think they're much different to any others that there have been in my lifetime. maybe it's just more visible these days?

[Swagbaggie]

Biden is proving to be like Obama. Flawed in Foreign Policy and inept at decision making and implementation.
Red lines - don't make me laugh.
The less said about Trump and Bush the better.
The U.S has had a succession of incompetents in charge and it is difficult to remember back to one that was effective as a World leader.
Despite his flaws, common to many, Clinton is the last leader I can think of that fitted the bill with more right than wrong and even that is debatable, especially in his property development interests.

[Ministry Of Silly Signings]

The biggest bunch of self-interest merchants of my lifetime.

Do sympathise, B.B, but I think it`s been this way for years, certainly in my lifetime, nearly 60 years.

J.F.K.- allegedly only got elected by paying the mafia in Chicago to fix the result, latched on to `civil rights` as a vote winner among liberals, although he had no real interest. Got America embroiled in Vietnam.
Nixon.- maligned due to Watergate, ( he got caught ! ), did some good things, but, allegedly used campaign funds to build holiday homes in California & Florida.
Harold Wilson - A former Labour councillor told me `Wilson was a total crook`. Didn`t really run the country, Marcia Williams did.
Blair - No need to elaborate.
Cameron - See Blair , above.

[fuzzbox]

The biggest bunch of self-interest merchants of my lifetime.

Do sympathise, B.B, but I think it`s been this way for years, certainly in my lifetime, nearly 60 years.

J.F.K.- allegedly only got elected by paying the mafia in Chicago to fix the result, latched on to `civil rights` as a vote winner among liberals, although he had no real interest. Got America embroiled in Vietnam.
Nixon.- maligned due to Watergate, ( he got caught ! ), did some good things, but, allegedly used campaign funds to build holiday homes in California & Florida.
Harold Wilson - A former Labour councillor told me `Wilson was a total crook`. Didn`t really run the country, Marcia Williams did.
Blair - No need to elaborate.
Cameron - See Blair , above.

Agree with what you're saying.

But..re.Wilson

Wasn't he the alleged victim of a smear campaign by MI5? I think 'Spycatcher' backs up this theory. 

I do know he sued papers for libel and won when they accused him of corruption.

[MassDebater]

Political leaders tend to be self serving cunts. Maybe the Dalai Llama bucks the trend, but not many others do!

[Duffers]

You don’t get to the position of leading an entire country if you aren’t a bit of a cunt.

[Ossian]

You don’t get to the position of leading an entire country if you aren’t a bit of a cunt.

I'm sure some of them would regard that as a plausible defence if challenged.

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Biden is proving to be like Obama. Flawed in Foreign Policy and inept at decision making and implementation.
Red lines - don't make me laugh.
The less said about Trump and Bush the better.
The U.S has had a succession of incompetents in charge and it is difficult to remember back to one that was effective as a World leader.
Despite his flaws, common to many, Clinton is the last leader I can think of that fitted the bill with more right than wrong and even that is debatable, especially in his property development interests.

I think I'm right in saying that the Clinton administration created more jobs than any other post-war, exceeding Roosevelt's 'New Deal' even when adjusted for population growth. More than the twelve years of Republican administrations preceding, and certainly more than the eight which followed.

[Gzbaggy]

The biggest bunch of self-interest merchants of my lifetime.

Do sympathise, B.B, but I think it`s been this way for years, certainly in my lifetime, nearly 60 years.

J.F.K.- allegedly only got elected by paying the mafia in Chicago to fix the result, latched on to `civil rights` as a vote winner among liberals, although he had no real interest. Got America embroiled in Vietnam.
Nixon.- maligned due to Watergate, ( he got caught ! ), did some good things, but, allegedly used campaign funds to build holiday homes in California & Florida.
Harold Wilson - A former Labour councillor told me `Wilson was a total crook`. Didn`t really run the country, Marcia Williams did.
Blair - No need to elaborate.
Cameron - See Blair , above.

Agree with what you're saying.

But..re.Wilson

Wasn't he the alleged victim of a smear campaign by MI5? I think 'Spycatcher' backs up this theory. 

I do know he sued papers for libel and won when they accused him of corruption.

Wilson kept us out of the Vietnam war

[Pipkins]

Whether you loved or hated him Churchill was a great leader 

As much as I hate Thatcher & still do (you could say she was a good leader)

Ckem Atlee/Nye Bevan were also deemed as great leaders 

Its a very subjective topic 

The German people classed Hitler as a great leader 

In recent years UK Politics has become very Americanised 

Instead of following policies public vote for

The elected party allow lobbyists to persuade them to making/not making decisions in their favour 

Then offer them lucrative posts on the board once finished in politics 

Hence why there is no real changes in the UK