UK Covid death toll

[baggiebuckster]

Another mutant variant of covid who'd have thought it!

Does the vaccine work for this version too?

Should do.

It's an mRna vaccine so small mutations don't stop it working.

What about the Oxford one? That's not mRNA.

[Birdman1811]

Another mutant variant of covid who'd have thought it!

Does the vaccine work for this version too?

Should do.

It's an mRna vaccine so small mutations don't stop it working.

What about the Oxford one? That's not mRNA.

Isn't it? 

In which case I don't know.

[foreveralbion]

ive been fairly anti lockdown but unless there is an issue with obtaining the vaccine i cant see why the government have not said lockdown now for 4/6 weeks whilst they vaccinate the most vunerable and then open up fully.

i cant believe they are willing to take the inevitable death toll that will come with the rise in cases without saying look we did our very best.

having a vaccine has given them an end point now so id have thought that they could hammer home a lockdown a lot easier.

[Ted Maul]

ive been fairly anti lockdown but unless there is an issue with obtaining the vaccine i cant see why the government have not said lockdown now for 4/6 weeks whilst they vaccinate the most vunerable and then open up fully.

i cant believe they are willing to take the inevitable death toll that will come with the rise in cases without saying look we did our very best.

having a vaccine has given them an end point now so id have thought that they could hammer home a lockdown a lot easier.

It's cos they're useless and absolutely don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

[Tom Joad]

ive been fairly anti lockdown but unless there is an issue with obtaining the vaccine i cant see why the government have not said lockdown now for 4/6 weeks whilst they vaccinate the most vunerable and then open up fully.

i cant believe they are willing to take the inevitable death toll that will come with the rise in cases without saying look we did our very best.

having a vaccine has given them an end point now so id have thought that they could hammer home a lockdown a lot easier.

It's cos they're useless and absolutely don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

I'm guessing it's because there isn't enough vaccine, currently?

[baggy1]

I was going to wait until late in the day to give a final update before Christmas of where we are with hospitalisations but it's clear now the number are rising across the whole country and most importantly in London. The reason why London is key to understanding what is happening is because they were hit so hard the 1st time there was a hope that a level of immunity had set in that would reduce the impact.

As of the 23rd we had just over 18k in hospital in England, the peak in April was just under 19k - we'll pass that today or tomorrow. We locked down the whole country on the 23rd March when we had 3,183 in hospital, we have 6 times that amount now and still haven't locked down, fuck knows what's going on any more.

There is a thread on Twitter from an Intensive Care Doctor in London that says a lot more than we can on here so I thought it was worth sharing:

Situation in London continuing to deteriorate as expected. Many doctors are worried that other parts of the UK will follow. A lot of misinformation around, so some fairly blunt observations here, for which I apologise. But we all need to understand the equation.

As with the first wave, the sharp rise in people testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, will be followed by a sharp rise in hospital admissions for COVID-19, and then a similar rise in excess deaths in January but like all disasters, for every death we can expect many more people to be injured and survive. And so it is with COVID-19. Most hospitalised patients will survive but they will take a long time to recover. Many will experience so-called ‘Long COVID’.

It's a false dichotomy to suggest we are choosing between the health impacts of COVID and the economic impacts of lockdowns. Poor health causes poor wealth. When an economically active person is too ill to work, their dependents are affected, all become poorer.

Like all diseases, COVID-19 affects the poor more than the wealthy. The blue columns in this graph show the number of patients admitted to intensive care by levels of deprivation (or IMD). The yellow line shows where the columns would be if we were all affected equally.

COVID is not a disease of older people. Half the patients admitted to intensive care are less than 60 years of age while four out of five are independent (needing no assistance in daily activities: washing, dressing, cooking, etc). 

For society, death is quick, simple and relatively inexpensive. But survival with serious complications is the much more likely outcome from COVID, and for many people a worse one. Also worse for the economy. Ill people need care from their family and the state

So, if (as some suggest) we lock up the old and sick, then let the virus rip, we would see many young people die of COVID, but many more survive with long-term disability, with the greatest impact on the poorest in society. The economy would get much worse, not better.

We must accept that the virus SARS-CoV-2 will be with us for years. When we finally manage to control the pandemic, we will still see a long period where the virus is endemic (widespread) in both UK and global society. Ignoring the pandemic won’t make it go away.
Please engage those who need convincing and exclude those who spread denial. Many lives depend on our collective responsibility. Freedom to ignore the pandemic is the freedom to put the lives of others at risk.

https://twitter.com/rupert_pearse/status...30113?s=20

This year has been miserable and the way that we have reacted to it has been heroic in some parts and moronic in many others, I am amazed at the number of people who ignore basic points because it doesn't really suit them and they want to do what they want. I can fully sympathise with those that need to do something to earn a living and I would hope that you got all of the support you needed (although it doesn't sound like some of you did) to get through this, my gripe is with the those that make out it isn't real and will just go away - those are the ones that have fucked it for everyone.

On that note I want to wish you all a merry Christmas and a vaccinated new year.

[TETLEY74]

I was going to wait until late in the day to give a final update before Christmas of where we are with hospitalisations but it's clear now the number are rising across the whole country and most importantly in London. The reason why London is key to understanding what is happening is because they were hit so hard the 1st time there was a hope that a level of immunity had set in that would reduce the impact.

As of the 23rd we had just over 18k in hospital in England, the peak in April was just under 19k - we'll pass that today or tomorrow. We locked down the whole country on the 23rd March when we had 3,183 in hospital, we have 6 times that amount now and still haven't locked down, fuck knows what's going on any more.

There is a thread on Twitter from an Intensive Care Doctor in London that says a lot more than we can on here so I thought it was worth sharing:

Situation in London continuing to deteriorate as expected. Many doctors are worried that other parts of the UK will follow. A lot of misinformation around, so some fairly blunt observations here, for which I apologise. But we all need to understand the equation.

As with the first wave, the sharp rise in people testing positive for SARS-CoV-2, will be followed by a sharp rise in hospital admissions for COVID-19, and then a similar rise in excess deaths in January but like all disasters, for every death we can expect many more people to be injured and survive. And so it is with COVID-19. Most hospitalised patients will survive but they will take a long time to recover. Many will experience so-called ‘Long COVID’.

It's a false dichotomy to suggest we are choosing between the health impacts of COVID and the economic impacts of lockdowns. Poor health causes poor wealth. When an economically active person is too ill to work, their dependents are affected, all become poorer.

Like all diseases, COVID-19 affects the poor more than the wealthy. The blue columns in this graph show the number of patients admitted to intensive care by levels of deprivation (or IMD). The yellow line shows where the columns would be if we were all affected equally.

COVID is not a disease of older people. Half the patients admitted to intensive care are less than 60 years of age while four out of five are independent (needing no assistance in daily activities: washing, dressing, cooking, etc). 

For society, death is quick, simple and relatively inexpensive. But survival with serious complications is the much more likely outcome from COVID, and for many people a worse one. Also worse for the economy. Ill people need care from their family and the state

So, if (as some suggest) we lock up the old and sick, then let the virus rip, we would see many young people die of COVID, but many more survive with long-term disability, with the greatest impact on the poorest in society. The economy would get much worse, not better.

We must accept that the virus SARS-CoV-2 will be with us for years. When we finally manage to control the pandemic, we will still see a long period where the virus is endemic (widespread) in both UK and global society. Ignoring the pandemic won’t make it go away.
Please engage those who need convincing and exclude those who spread denial. Many lives depend on our collective responsibility. Freedom to ignore the pandemic is the freedom to put the lives of others at risk.

https://twitter.com/rupert_pearse/status...30113?s=20

This year has been miserable and the way that we have reacted to it has been heroic in some parts and moronic in many others, I am amazed at the number of people who ignore basic points because it doesn't really suit them and they want to do what they want. I can fully sympathise with those that need to do something to earn a living and I would hope that you got all of the support you needed (although it doesn't sound like some of you did) to get through this, my gripe is with the those that make out it isn't real and will just go away - those are the ones that have fucked it for everyone.

On that note I want to wish you all a merry Christmas and a vaccinated new year.

Top Post Baggy1 as always no doubt the usual suspects will be along shortly to denounce it as a establishment propaganda to get us to conform ffs. Regards the enonomy this is my view that if we relax restrictions the economy will collapse anyway as  there will be so many dead, dying or too ill to work, I'm in favour of a very harsh enforced 5/6week lock down to either break the virus or slow it right down until enough to vaccinate those that need enmass, it may not be pleasant but the economy will recover and it will save countless lives and people's health long term, can't see what else they can do. But hey don't worry its only flu it's all a con there's no pandemic at all and the economy is far more important than few thousand peoples lives and we all have a right to go to the pub and party  anyway FFS, sorry rant over have good Xmas Baggy1 and all you other ponners.

[Tom Joad]

Top stuff, Baggy1, thanks for posting. The most spine chilling words in that doctor's statement were when he pointed out the virus will be with us for years to come. Worrying because I think we all know that but are clinging to the hope that the vaccine is a magic wand. realistically we can only hope it mutates to become much less aggressive. I saw yesterday someone saying that if absolutely no one moved for 2 weeks the virus would die. Mathematically correct, but simply impossible to achieve. Personally, I can't see even a 6 week lockdown working, the global population is simply too mobile for that to ever work. I spoke to someone that works in community mental health yesterday, he said mental issues are rampant. Fucking grim, cheer me up someone! After a shite year, a particularly bad month and now a Christmas that'll be like any other day, you'd think one thing might go right? But no, The Albion save their most insipid performance in memory for last Sunday.
When will Branson's rocket be ready? I'm booking a single!

[Derek Hardballs]

Let’s all get back to normal...

Or anyone with one iota of sense

[Ted Maul]

Oxford/Astra Seneca vaccine approved.

Some good news to end the year on.