UK Covid death toll

[baggy1]

And until then?

What are they doing now?

Not being exposed to anybody that may carry the virus. If we open up for everyone that is under 65 and without a pre-existing condition then we have to make sure that no-one that has the freedom to do as they wish will have contact with them. 

That means that anyone that cares for or treats that age group then have to isolate as well, add to that family members that might live in the same house as them or are within their bubble, add to that the carers and health workers families. Seeing as we were at 20% of the population with just the over 65s then with all of the added people above we are talking at least 30% of the country and probably nearer 40%.

I understand the frustrations with the way this is being handled but there need to be realistic solutions apart from just lock them up because that isn't feasible.

[The liquidator]

Great Post

[Derek Hardballs]

And until then?

What are they doing now?

Not being exposed to anybody that may carry the virus. If we open up for everyone that is under 65 and without a pre-existing condition then we have to make sure that no-one that has the freedom to do as they wish will have contact with them. 

That means that anyone that cares for or treats that age group then have to isolate as well, add to that family members that might live in the same house as them or are within their bubble, add to that the carers and health workers families. Seeing as we were at 20% of the population with just the over 65s then with all of the added people above we are talking at least 30% of the country and probably nearer 40%.

I understand the frustrations with the way this is being handled but there need to be realistic solutions apart from just lock them up because that isn't feasible.

B1 I have wasted hours trying to explain this very, very, very basic point to the usual suspects but you will never get them to admit the points you’re making are valid because it completely undermines their entire myopic argument. [Insert stickman hitting head against wall. Repeat] gif.

[baggiebuckster]

And until then?

What are they doing now?

Not being exposed to anybody that may carry the virus. If we open up for everyone that is under 65 and without a pre-existing condition then we have to make sure that no-one that has the freedom to do as they wish will have contact with them. 

That means that anyone that cares for or treats that age group then have to isolate as well, add to that family members that might live in the same house as them or are within their bubble, add to that the carers and health workers families. Seeing as we were at 20% of the population with just the over 65s then with all of the added people above we are talking at least 30% of the country and probably nearer 40%.

I understand the frustrations with the way this is being handled but there need to be realistic solutions apart from just lock them up because that isn't feasible.

If you believe that then I think you are misguided. You are telling me that people over 60 are having no contact with anyone else. Lots of them are still working. Many of them are in the supermarkets. Thousands of them are caring for Grandkids after school.

[baggy1]

And all of that is within a suppressed virus environment BB - trust me I am on your side, I don't want a lockdown, but we have to be realistic as to what will happen when we release restrictions and the virus is allowed to spread.

[baggiebuckster]

And all of that is within a suppressed virus environment BB - trust me I am on your side, I don't want a lockdown, but we have to be realistic as to what will happen when we release restrictions and the virus is allowed to spread.

Like the proposed Christmas break being discussed which just shows how political this whole thing is. 

As long as kids are going to school huddled together with 30 in a class then viruses will spread. 90% of any illness I have picked up is from one of my kids. Norovirus being the obvious one that catches most parents at some point.

[Derek Hardballs]

And all of that is within a suppressed virus environment BB - trust me I am on your side, I don't want a lockdown, but we have to be realistic as to what will happen when we release restrictions and the virus is allowed to spread.

The biggest lie in all these debates across SM, media etc is that anyone wants a lockdown.

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And all of that is within a suppressed virus environment BB - trust me I am on your side, I don't want a lockdown, but we have to be realistic as to what will happen when we release restrictions and the virus is allowed to spread.

Like the proposed Christmas break being discussed which just shows how political this whole thing is. 

As long as kids are going to school huddled together with 30 in a class then viruses will spread. 90% of any illness I have picked up is from one of my kids. Norovirus being the obvious one that catches most parents at some point.

Yes and trust me this is a complete and utter nightmare for those shielding who also have kids.

[baggy1]

And all of that is within a suppressed virus environment BB - trust me I am on your side, I don't want a lockdown, but we have to be realistic as to what will happen when we release restrictions and the virus is allowed to spread.

Like the proposed Christmas break being discussed which just shows how political this whole thing is. 

As long as kids are going to school huddled together with 30 in a class then viruses will spread. 90% of any illness I have picked up is from one of my kids. Norovirus being the obvious one that catches most parents at some point.

The Christmas break makes no sense at all, it's purely PR to get a headline 'Boris saves Christmas'.

From the sounds of it we are not far off being out of this, or being at the start of being out of this, very soon with these vaccines - why we feel the need to take a 3 day break at this point makes no sense at all when that will delay the actual point in time that we get out of it and potentially allows the virus to spread and infect the vulnerable.

And agree with the kids point as well - they had 6 months to think of a solution and came up with pretty much fuck all and spent a fortune on reaching that level of fuck all.

[billybassett]

I know many friends and family under 60 who are working to keep food on their table and their houses over their heads. Covid is the least of their problems after a first lockdown and then a completely unneeded second one. Family who are teachers who can spend their days with 30-40 kids but can't see their elderly parents.

I notice people yet again having a dig at those who say going back to some form of normality is not possible. It absolutely is possible because we manage it every winter flu season when thousands of elderly and vulnerable die of respiratory illnesses.

And I'll say again because this bored seems generally incapable of understanding the question of whether this lockdown and current measures are in the best interests overall for our society in terms of overall health, education, finance, economy, mental heath etc etc. The usual suspects dodge the question I don't understand why. If they can provide a compelling argument for this being in our best interests I'll happily listen to it. It seems that the argument that we can't possibly know is enough to assuage them from having a debate about it and mollify their conscience in the almost certain probability that over the next 3-5 years the overall costs to life and economy will far outweigh the actions we've taken.

I think, this inability to engage on this level and the arguments being made, is in all probability an output of the fact that the demographics of this bored are probably overwhelmingly of a certain type (a hypothesis based on the people posting and what they post). I would probably say that this bored is almost certainly not a good cross-section of the total population of the UK.

[JOK]

The Christmas break makes no sense at all, it's purely PR to get a headline 'Boris saves Christmas'.

From the sounds of it we are not far off being out of this, or being at the start of being out of this, very soon with these vaccines - why we feel the need to take a 3 day break at this point makes no sense at all when that will delay the actual point in time that we get out of it and potentially allows the virus to spread and infect the vulnerable.

And agree with the kids point as well - they had 6 months to think of a solution and came up with pretty much fuck all and spent a fortune on reaching that level of fuck all.

 A Christmas break or free for all is silly to put it mildly. Although I don’t think it makes one iota of difference whether the government allow it or not. A goodly proportion will ignore any restrictions anyway. For that reason, I do think it a bit harsh to say it’s a publicity stunt. Because, as you demonstrate, many will think it a ridiculous decision and condemn the government. So where is the ‘good’ publicity?

If you watched the BBC2 programme yesterday ‘Lockdown1- Following the Science’  With all the contradicting recommendations, modelling, gain saying and hindsight amongst the varying scientific communities, I am not surprised misguided actions were taken.