The Showman vs The Lawyer...

[Tom Joad]

Having a credible, well speaking leader of the opposition will help everyone, regardless of their politics.

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….and if they can just put a plug in the first ministers of Scotland and Wales, we may be able to move forward a little more smoothly.

[Cheshire East Baggie]

Lets be honest about this the government are on a hiding to nothing . I havnt seen anything has slick back hair boy pulled boris up on how the government have done on the finance side of things

The economy was in meltdown even before the virus took hold. However the Covid situation pans out, there will be further trauma unless a decent deal can be negotiated with the EU. This government hasn't a leg to stand on economically. The opposition parties can afford to bide their time on that issue. Boris will not come out of this looking good.

And if you have to resort to hairstyle related insults, it's clear you haven't got anything on Starmer either. 

Proper opposition at last. We've waited years for this.

[The liquidator]

Nothing on starmer this is the bloke who didnt think jimmy saville was worth prosecuting .

[Borin' Baggie]

Nothing on starmer this is the bloke who didnt think jimmy saville was worth prosecuting .

This is a lie China, please don't repeat it.

The remit of the CPS investigation fell under the Chief Inspector of the CPS, Starmer was Director of Public Prosecutions. 

The CPS investigation started in 2008, Starmer joined the CPS in 2009.

The victims identified by Sussex Police did not wish to cooperate with the CPS for their investigation which severely limited the amount of evidence that could be gathered. You can't prosecute if there's not enough evidence.

Starmer's only interaction with the case, as it was within his remit, was him issuing a review into the failings of the Savile investigation which recommended offering a better victim support network to help them feel comfortable in giving evidence. That review was issued by Starmer voluntarily, the CPS and Civil Service didn't want it to happen but Starmer forced it through so the incompetencies couldn't be covered up.

The only lawyer criticised in the report for failing to force the CPS investigators to open a prosecution was the reviewing lawyer. Starmer was not the reviewing lawyer.

I don't know whether the far right started this smear or bad faith actors like the far left Corbynistas, but it's a blatant lie that falls apart at any basic level of scrutiny. There's stronger evidence saying that the Tory top brass, including Thatcher, knew about it and covered it up and even that's as credible as a bog standard conspiracy theory.

[Ossian]

Nothing on starmer this is the bloke who didnt think jimmy saville was worth prosecuting .

Therefore what exactly? You think he shouldn't now be asking why there were 18,000 more deaths in April than is typical for that month?

Anyway, moving on, this is an interesting one: the first letter, second paragraph; the one that begins 'Yes, we are in exceptional times..." and deals with the stockpiling of PPE in readiness for a pandemic. Is anyone sufficiently ITK to verify this? Proth, possibly? He appears to have a bit of a fixation with Andy Burnham's brief tenure as Health Secretary.
 
2009...

[The liquidator]

Nothing on starmer this is the bloke who didnt think jimmy saville was worth prosecuting .

Therefore what exactly? You think he shouldn't now be asking why there were 18,000 more deaths in April than is typical for that month?

Anyway, moving on, this is an interesting one: the first letter, second paragraph; the one that begins 'Yes, we are in exceptional times..." and deals with the stockpiling of PPE in readiness for a pandemic. Is anyone sufficiently ITK to verify this? Proth, possibly? He appears to have a bit of a fixation with Andy Burnham's brief tenure as Health Secretary.
 
2009...

Of course he can but just shows his moral compass

[Protheroe]

The emerging picture suggests that the NHS has been protected at the expense of care homes. The NHS has never even approached ICU capacity during this crisis so far. Instead the meltdown has been exported to the care home sector. The UK is not alone in doing so, the pattern is the same across much of Europe.

I'm very uncomforrtable with this.

[The liquidator]

Same here proth probably not intentional but they have become sacrificial lambs in this fiasco ......the things I've seen on Twitter is scandalous calling them nazi and facists and deliberately culling the pensioners I've challenged a few by saying go to the police and make an official complaint.

[baggy1]

Only the nutters out there will be accusing the Govt of culling the pensioners in all of this and there can be no sane person that thinks the Govt made a conscious choice on looking the other way when it comes to care homes. However, the signs were there and putting 2 and 2 together (old folk dying, where are the old folk) is a major oversight by those in charge and let's be honest that is what they are there for. It does show the inability to do two things at once for the current cabinet, the public were shouting about the NHS so that got all the focus, there should have been an eye on care homes and the ability to address both problems.

[Protheroe]

no sane person that thinks the Govt made a conscious choice on looking the other way when it comes to care homes

If it emerges that untested elderly patients have been discharged to care homes on any scale then that is a scandal. I sniff a scandal.

Exactly who may be to blame for this is a moot point.