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(04-14-2020, 10:13 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: .

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"The EU procurement scheme has not been entirely successful, however. While deliveries of masks, gowns and gloves will be made in tranches over the next two to 18 weeks, the procurement of ventilators will be slow, according to a leaked EU document. Companies indicated long delivery times, from 10 to 52 weeks, the commission warned member states of the £690m purchase."

As I posted the other day, the UK already has more than enough PPE. It's simply that the NHS is so useless in its inventory and distribution.
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15 love proth
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(04-14-2020, 11:41 AM)Protheroe Wrote:
(04-14-2020, 10:13 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: .

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"The EU procurement scheme has not been entirely successful, however. While deliveries of masks, gowns and gloves will be made in tranches over the next two to 18 weeks, the procurement of ventilators will be slow, according to a leaked EU document. Companies indicated long delivery times, from 10 to 52 weeks, the commission warned member states of the £690m purchase."

As I posted the other day, the UK already has more than enough PPE. It's simply that the NHS is so useless in its inventory and distribution.

That’s it Protheroe keep to the script... under absolutely no circumstances can anything be this governments fault. It’s the NHS, it’s the EU, it’s the staff using it too profligately it’s China, they’ve all been trotted as excuses by the usual client journalists, even ministers .  I imagine the blame in care homes will be placed firmly on themselves as well.

What you are attempting to do is try and manoeuvre the argument towards discrediting the NHS as it’s an easy target and the only one left. It fits with the small state, health insurance model you want to see the country move to.
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So who is to blame for the private care homes with out ppe ?
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(04-14-2020, 11:41 AM)Protheroe Wrote:
(04-14-2020, 10:13 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: .

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"The EU procurement scheme has not been entirely successful, however. While deliveries of masks, gowns and gloves will be made in tranches over the next two to 18 weeks, the procurement of ventilators will be slow, according to a leaked EU document. Companies indicated long delivery times, from 10 to 52 weeks, the commission warned member states of the £690m purchase."

As I posted the other day, the UK already has more than enough PPE. It's simply that the NHS is so useless in its inventory and distribution.

NHS England inventory and distribution is conducted by Clipper Logistics, a private business, which is overseen by and contracted to Supply Chain Coordination Limited which in turn is controlled by the DHSC. The NHS hasn't been in charge of PPE inventory outside of what is physically within trusts since 2006.

And the UK government currently has an 87% immediate shortfall in its own ventilator procurement scheme with one of the contracts having been cancelled as the design isn't sufficient which has created a longer term shortfall. Given that the EU scheme does not inhibit our own procurement mechanisms, if we'd joined the scheme we would be in the exact same stage now but have slack from the EU scheme to cover the Sky Blue order cancellation as well as getting PPE brought in within two weeks.

As for us having more than enough supply of PPE, that's being contradicted by a lot of people. Stormont has asked the Irish government for help with supplying PPE and there have been various conflicting reports regarding available PPE supply in the UK both for public and private sector usage.
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(04-14-2020, 01:28 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:
(04-14-2020, 11:41 AM)Protheroe Wrote:
(04-14-2020, 10:13 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: .

ITV
Evening Standard
Daily Mail
Guardian

"The EU procurement scheme has not been entirely successful, however. While deliveries of masks, gowns and gloves will be made in tranches over the next two to 18 weeks, the procurement of ventilators will be slow, according to a leaked EU document. Companies indicated long delivery times, from 10 to 52 weeks, the commission warned member states of the £690m purchase."

As I posted the other day, the UK already has more than enough PPE. It's simply that the NHS is so useless in its inventory and distribution.

NHS England inventory and distribution is conducted by Clipper Logistics, a private business, which is overseen by and contracted to Supply Chain Coordination Limited which in turn is controlled by the DHSC. The NHS hasn't been in charge of PPE inventory outside of what is physically within trusts since 2006.

And the UK government currently has an 87% immediate shortfall in its own ventilator procurement scheme with one of the contracts having been cancelled as the design isn't sufficient which has created a longer term shortfall. Given that the EU scheme does not inhibit our own procurement mechanisms, if we'd joined the scheme we would be in the exact same stage now but have slack from the EU scheme to cover the Sky Blue order cancellation as well as getting PPE brought in within two weeks.

As for us having more than enough supply of PPE, that's being contradicted by a lot of people. Stormont has asked the Irish government for help with supplying PPE and there have been various conflicting reports regarding available PPE supply in the UK both for public and private sector usage.

Game set and match BB again.
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That's just his opinion dekka with the word contradicted .
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As someone loves to regularly regurgitate his posts with different headings, I'll re post an answer.

Across the world, frontline medical staff are clamoring for face masks and other personal protective equipment (PPE). Even as China, the world’s main supplier, comes back onstream, companies around the globe are battling a host of obstacles, from illness to freight costs, from hoarding to a supply squeeze on filter fabric.”

“There are two main kinds of mask: ... the higher-standard respirators, often known by designations such as N95 or FFP (“filtering facepiece”), which are meant for medical procedures to protect workers from the droplets through which the virus spreads.
Demand for all of them has skyrocketed.”
““Trying to find a supplier who hasn’t sold out for the next six months is hard,” said Christopher Dobbing, the CEO and founder of Cambridge Mask Co., a small producer in Britain.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-healt...SKBN21C2PE

GENEVA (REUTERS) -  “Demand for masks, gowns, gloves and other protective gear has risen up to 100-fold and prices have soared due to the China coronavirus, producing a “severe” disruption in global supply, the World Health Organisation (WHO) chief said...”

Another couple Of reports here:
WHO. World  shortage of PPE. Need for a 40% increase in manufacture.
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/03-...-worldwide

“Before this pandemic, for instance, China produced approximately half the world’s face masks. As the infection spread across China, their exports came to a halt.”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006141
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(04-14-2020, 01:17 PM)The liquidator Wrote: So who is to blame for the private care homes with out ppe ?

The supply chain has from the accounts I’ve heard been diverted to the NHS making it very difficult for Care Homes of all denominations to access the PPE they need.

(04-14-2020, 01:45 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: There has been a problem with PPE supplied to a number of EU countries and the UK from China recently (they seem to make a lot of the masks for example) China must have been badly stretched itself of course, followed by this big international demand.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/s...-1.4219452

This LA Times article suggests fake as well as faulty products coming out of China now (not supported by the Chinese government who don't want a bad image) but many companies are desperate in China and there is a global scramble for PPE as well as a UK one which isn't helping of course

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/sto...ty-control

These concerns and equipment sent back / recalled or whatever has meant China doing more quality control and checking of exports, leading to further delays - this does not just impact on Europe of course - big problem for others such as India as per below

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomac...rts-delays

A worldwide problem

The government has said it has all the PPE it needs.

(04-14-2020, 02:00 PM)JOK Wrote: As someone loves to regularly regurgitate his posts with different headings, I'll re post an answer.

Across the world, frontline medical staff are clamoring for face masks and other personal protective equipment (PPE). Even as China, the world’s main supplier, comes back onstream, companies around the globe are battling a host of obstacles, from illness to freight costs, from hoarding to a supply squeeze on filter fabric.”

“There are two main kinds of mask: ... the higher-standard respirators, often known by designations such as N95 or FFP (“filtering facepiece”), which are meant for medical procedures to protect workers from the droplets through which the virus spreads.
Demand for all of them has skyrocketed.”
““Trying to find a supplier who hasn’t sold out for the next six months is hard,” said Christopher Dobbing, the CEO and founder of Cambridge Mask Co., a small producer in Britain.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-healt...SKBN21C2PE

GENEVA (REUTERS) -  “Demand for masks, gowns, gloves and other protective gear has risen up to 100-fold and prices have soared due to the China coronavirus, producing a “severe” disruption in global supply, the World Health Organisation (WHO) chief said...”

Another couple Of reports here:
WHO. World  shortage of PPE. Need for a 40% increase in manufacture.
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/03-...-worldwide

“Before this pandemic, for instance, China produced approximately half the world’s face masks. As the infection spread across China, their exports came to a halt.”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006141

The government has said and I quote  The government says there is enough of this "precious resource" to go around.
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