Manchester Arndale stabbings

[Derek Hardballs]

Singapore does this and has a very low level of crime. The liberals in this country will just ring their hands and blame it on the offenders background or some other bollocks.

I imagine Saudi Arabia doesn’t have much crime either. Let’s model ourselves on them.

A knife is only a deterrent if you use it so if you carry one you mean to stab someone.  I don't get how you come to the conclusion that a nation that treats this crime seriously is comparable to Saudi.

The point was blaming liberals (all the rage at the moment) isn’t really the answer to knife crime. You do have to understand and prevent the causes of it. Stiffer sentences on there own won’t solve the problem. If you want to stop something you have to understand why it is happening.

If you increase sentences then people will stop carrying knives and knife crime will drop, you do not need to understand why they carry them at all.

What evidence have you got for this? You do have to understand why it is happening according to pretty much every expert, report, study, charity group working in that field. If you know better than them about this subject? I certainly don’t.

[Baggiejacko]

Cowardly twats carry weapons.

[Midget In A Pinstripe Suit]

Singapore does this and has a very low level of crime. The liberals in this country will just ring their hands and blame it on the offenders background or some other bollocks.

I imagine Saudi Arabia doesn’t have much crime either. Let’s model ourselves on them.

A knife is only a deterrent if you use it so if you carry one you mean to stab someone.  I don't get how you come to the conclusion that a nation that treats this crime seriously is comparable to Saudi.

The point was blaming liberals (all the rage at the moment) isn’t really the answer to knife crime. You do have to understand and prevent the causes of it. Stiffer sentences on there own won’t solve the problem. If you want to stop something you have to understand why it is happening.

If you increase sentences then people will stop carrying knives and knife crime will drop, you do not need to understand why they carry them at all.

Sorry that’s bollocks. There aren’t exactly a lot of convictions for all these stabbings. People won’t give evidence/report things due to the gang culture that surrounds them. Understanding the issue is the only way to begin to fix it.

[Morley]

I imagine Saudi Arabia doesn’t have much crime either. Let’s model ourselves on them.

A knife is only a deterrent if you use it so if you carry one you mean to stab someone.  I don't get how you come to the conclusion that a nation that treats this crime seriously is comparable to Saudi.

The point was blaming liberals (all the rage at the moment) isn’t really the answer to knife crime. You do have to understand and prevent the causes of it. Stiffer sentences on there own won’t solve the problem. If you want to stop something you have to understand why it is happening.

If you increase sentences then people will stop carrying knives and knife crime will drop, you do not need to understand why they carry them at all.

Sorry that’s bollocks. There aren’t exactly a lot of convictions for all these stabbings. People won’t give evidence/report things due to the gang culture that surrounds them. Understanding the issue is the only way to begin to fix it.

Now you are talking bollocks. Under the Singaporean system you don't need any evidence other than possession. Carry the knife do the time for the crime you intended, that is how it works and they have almost no crime. You may not like it and having lived there it is not a system that everyone will like but it works very well for them.

[Baggiejacko]

Stop n search regime is finding people in possession of weapons but they're only getting cautions and confiscation. Making it like being caught with a gun should deter them more. If you ain't carrying a weapon you can't use it. Get the weapons off the streets would be a good starting point. You can look into the aspects of why people want to hurt fellow human beings after.

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You get more punishment for carrying heroin than a knife ffs

[Derek Hardballs]

A knife is only a deterrent if you use it so if you carry one you mean to stab someone.  I don't get how you come to the conclusion that a nation that treats this crime seriously is comparable to Saudi.

The point was blaming liberals (all the rage at the moment) isn’t really the answer to knife crime. You do have to understand and prevent the causes of it. Stiffer sentences on there own won’t solve the problem. If you want to stop something you have to understand why it is happening.

If you increase sentences then people will stop carrying knives and knife crime will drop, you do not need to understand why they carry them at all.

Sorry that’s bollocks. There aren’t exactly a lot of convictions for all these stabbings. People won’t give evidence/report things due to the gang culture that surrounds them. Understanding the issue is the only way to begin to fix it.

Now you are talking bollocks. Under the Singaporean system you don't need any evidence other than possession. Carry the knife do the time for the crime you intended, that is how it works and they have almost no crime. You may not like it and having lived there it is not a system that everyone will like but it works very well for them.

We aren’t Singapore.

[Midget In A Pinstripe Suit]

Increasing punishments for carrying won’t stop people getting stabbed, it will reduce it but tackling the problem at the root cause will have more of an effect.

[Morley]

The point was blaming liberals (all the rage at the moment) isn’t really the answer to knife crime. You do have to understand and prevent the causes of it. Stiffer sentences on there own won’t solve the problem. If you want to stop something you have to understand why it is happening.

If you increase sentences then people will stop carrying knives and knife crime will drop, you do not need to understand why they carry them at all.

Sorry that’s bollocks. There aren’t exactly a lot of convictions for all these stabbings. People won’t give evidence/report things due to the gang culture that surrounds them. Understanding the issue is the only way to begin to fix it.

Now you are talking bollocks. Under the Singaporean system you don't need any evidence other than possession. Carry the knife do the time for the crime you intended, that is how it works and they have almost no crime. You may not like it and having lived there it is not a system that everyone will like but it works very well for them.

We aren’t Singapore.

And?

[Baggiejacko]

The touchy feely approach is all well and good long term but short term should be getting the weapons off the street. Anything else is going to take time to deploy. It needs action now before it escalates further. Bobbies on the beat are armed with stab vests but when they find someone carrying a weapon they have to take it off them and give them a piece of paper then send them on their way.

[Derek Hardballs]

If you increase sentences then people will stop carrying knives and knife crime will drop, you do not need to understand why they carry them at all.

Sorry that’s bollocks. There aren’t exactly a lot of convictions for all these stabbings. People won’t give evidence/report things due to the gang culture that surrounds them. Understanding the issue is the only way to begin to fix it.

Now you are talking bollocks. Under the Singaporean system you don't need any evidence other than possession. Carry the knife do the time for the crime you intended, that is how it works and they have almost no crime. You may not like it and having lived there it is not a system that everyone will like but it works very well for them.

We aren’t Singapore.

And?

So the idea it’ll work here would take huge changes in how we live.