Mandelson
(02-03-2026, 02:42 PM)baggy1 Wrote: The amount of bollocks in that post Proth is below you mate. Your 'they're never British' commentary is crass, and feeling sorry for anyone trying to avoid IHT through the back door of pensions is just being upset at a loophole closing. 

And off to the EU I see, oh how times have changed.

I'm not off to the EU - that's a sclerotic political construct. I'm off to Spain..

Feel free to take issue with the substance of any of the points I'm making.

On immigration I'm far more liberal than the Labour Party. I'd happily welcome anyone here who brings a skill we need or capital (God above we need plenty of that). Labour prefers arbitrary salary thresholds and proto-Powellian rhetoric, when all it actually needs to do is deal with those undocumented men arriving here illegally from fuck knows where with fuck knows what motive.

I'm afraid you have been so institutionalised that you can't see the corrosive effect this incompetent bunch are having on industry, commerce and public trust. It is no wonder they are the least popular government in modern history. There is no political philosophy and no plan. They are buffeted and blown on the winds of events outside their control whilst monumentally fucking up everything they can control.

You scoff at idea that fiscal drag is problematic when it is robbing millions blind. You scoff at the idea that destroying carefully laid plans for the transfer of wealth between generations are problematic - when it was successive governments who encouraged the development of such plans - not a loophole, a fucking incentive to invest FFS. And you don't believe there's a problem with retaining massive unfunded public sector pensions whilst the rest of us scrabble around for any return we can get.

There are aspects of our societal fabric on the brink of collapse. I don't think the statists insulated by the system quite realise it yet, but a day is coming quite shortly when they'll realise the golden goose has stopped laying.
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Mandelson - by Borin' Baggie - 09-10-2025, 05:30 PM
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