12-02-2021, 04:17 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-02-2021, 04:21 PM by backsidebaggie.)
(12-02-2021, 04:08 PM)Ted Maul Wrote:(12-02-2021, 04:07 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:(12-02-2021, 04:03 PM)Ted Maul Wrote:(12-02-2021, 03:43 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:(12-02-2021, 03:33 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: It has been fairly obvious the direction of travel for a long time now. I wish I had a tick sheet for the things that were classed as far fetched a year ago that are now coming to fruition. And yet if you dare mention them then you are shut down instantly.
If/when this happens here, this is a level of state control that we have not seen in our lifetime.
Since the middle of July I've been able to do pretty much whatever I please. So much for that state control.
Can't say I understand your point there. I said "if/when it happens here", and I was referring to what's happening in Germany/Austria/Greece as discussed.
I've followed the advice of medical experts, had my jabs and therefore will continue doing what I want.
Problem?
Not sure what you mean by "Problem?". We were talking about the path to mandation.
If you're happy to do exactly what the government and medical experts say, with no choice for yourself, then yes you'll be fine (presuming you don't get one of the rare severe reactions).
If you can't see the wider problems this causes, and the infinite things this could be applied to which experts in any particular field decide is necessary to also be mandated, then I hope you're good for other future things that the experts say are required to also be mandated.
(12-02-2021, 04:15 PM)baggy1 Wrote: You all seem to have missed the big point because it doesn't suit your view I guess. The reason we, in the UK, are not facing the measures is because we have such a high take up on vaccinations, other countries are looking at our take up and realising that they need to do something because the reality is that vaccinations have the desired effect.
If you look at cases at the moment in the UK (and I know I say not to but for the point) they are around 42k on a 7 day average. Compare this with the peak last year when the peak on 7DAs was around 58k - we are currently running at about 75% of cases compared to the peak. Then look at hospitalisations which are currently at just less than 6k compare that to the peak of 32k it shows us running at less than 20%. This shows one massive point in that vaccinations work and are the reason why covid is not taking off in the UK compared with the central European countries.
Those countries now realise the only way out of this is through vaccination and as there isn't enough uptake then they can either do nothing and let it run riot and kill 10s of thousands or mandate it.
Now I hope I'm not speaking too soon but we are not looking at the same problems because we have the high take up, but it is not a time to think we have done enough we need to continue with the take up and not relax.
I admire your optimism Baggy1. And your statistical analysis is genuinely excellent - I mean that.
It will happen here, they will wait for a surge, then justify it based on that, blaming the unvaccinated, having successfully divided the population into two.
I really really hope I'm wrong, but the pattern has formed over 6-9 months now. Its not a conspiracy theory.