Covid Vaccination ID

[backsidebaggie]

It's not just the Government though is it? France has recently announced similar restrictions except they have added in restaurants and shopping centres.

Indeed. That’ll be next for us.

[Protheroe]

It's not just the Government though is it? France has recently announced similar restrictions except they have added in restaurants and shopping centres.

Little Napolean is turning out to be a very nasty piece of work on so many levels.

[baggiebuckster]

Sky now reporting that these passports will apply to football matches too by the end of September if cases stay high.

[Protheroe]

Sky now reporting that these passports will apply to football matches too by the end of September if cases stay high.

Which I exactly what I said last night on a chat with a couple of MPs, no they assured me it's indoor venues only.

See that thin wedge?

[backsidebaggie]

Scan your passport for entry! Welcome to boris’s republic of China.

If this was just about “the science”, they’d insist on covid passports before night clubs opened.

Secondly, proof of previous infection would be allowable instead. If previously infected in recent months, you are even safer than being vaccinated.

Really think this is only about our safety?

[baggiebuckster]

And what about all those kids that attend with their parents? Will they be allowed to go to watch matches? Surely not seeing how the virus rampages through schools.

On the news this morning it said that 1 million kids missed school last week through isolation with 43k testing positive.

[Derek Hardballs]

No! There are many including children under 12 who are specifically but not exclusively vulnerable to Covid. The chance that they would die from a cold or flu for example are significantly smaller than if they caught Covid. Your tough-titty argument can easily be reversed for those perfectly fit and healthy people who can but refuse to have the vaccine, or the passport. You are simply putting the rights of the fittest ahead of the weakest in society. If you're comfortable with this and think rights always trump responsibilities then fair enough but I'm never going to agree or respect that decision. If I'm mistaken then I will apologise in advance.

The argument about 'Fear' is real for many families who could lose a child to Covid and to not even try and see it from their perspective is quire a slap in the face. Passports wouldn't even be on the agenda if people simply had the vaccine in sufficient numbers. We want our rights but we abdicate all responsibility to the rest of society!

At least you admit your "Zero Covid" stance Dekka.

It is however the most singularly illiberal, selfish, authoritarian and wealth destroying take it's possible to have.

No one expects zero cases of Covid, however you don't control a disease that isn't the flu or cold by letting it rip through the population unhindered. 84% of hospital admissions for Covid are now from the under 50's (LBC report 20th July). The Delta variant and the lack of vaccination in this age group is the reason hospitals will be put under pressure because of numpties you admire /  'MP friends' lobbying for even the most basic of safety measures to be taken away. This won't help the economy, health or confidence for people to go out. I know several events that have been cancelled because organisers don't feel they can keep people safe, don't want to be liable for an outbreak and the hassle they will get from bolshy idiots demanding their right to ignore the safety of others.

[backsidebaggie]

And what about all those kids that attend with their parents? Will they be allowed to go to watch matches? Surely not seeing how the virus rampages through schools.

On the news this morning it said that 1 million kids missed school last week through isolation with 43k testing positive.

Wait til it’s every restaurant, pub, entertainment venue. Supermarkets will be the only thing left, they’ll just about allow people who exercise their medical choice to buy food, kind hearted governing that they are. Probably.

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No! There are many including children under 12 who are specifically but not exclusively vulnerable to Covid. The chance that they would die from a cold or flu for example are significantly smaller than if they caught Covid. Your tough-titty argument can easily be reversed for those perfectly fit and healthy people who can but refuse to have the vaccine, or the passport. You are simply putting the rights of the fittest ahead of the weakest in society. If you're comfortable with this and think rights always trump responsibilities then fair enough but I'm never going to agree or respect that decision. If I'm mistaken then I will apologise in advance.

The argument about 'Fear' is real for many families who could lose a child to Covid and to not even try and see it from their perspective is quire a slap in the face. Passports wouldn't even be on the agenda if people simply had the vaccine in sufficient numbers. We want our rights but we abdicate all responsibility to the rest of society!

At least you admit your "Zero Covid" stance Dekka.

It is however the most singularly illiberal, selfish, authoritarian and wealth destroying take it's possible to have.

Whatever Proth,  I don't need lectures in selfishness from someone who advocates the use of charities as the best means to support sick and disabled children.

No one expects zero cases of Covid, however you don't control a disease that isn't the flu or cold by letting it rip through the population unhindered. 84% of hospital admissions for Covid are now from the under 50's (LBC report 20th July). The Delta variant and the lack of vaccination in this age group is the reason hospitals will be put under pressure because of numpties you admire /  'MP friends' lobbying for even the most basic of safety measures to be taken away. This won't help the economy, health or confidence for people to go out. I know several events that have been cancelled because organisers don't feel they can keep people safe, don't want to be liable for an outbreak and the hassle they will get from bolshy idiots demanding their right to ignore the safety of others.

Dekka, someone infected in the last 6 months is less risk to others (due to antibodies) than someone vaccinated (as they can have the virus and pass it on). Can you explain therefore why proof of previous infection is not allowable in nightclubs (soon to be pubs, sport etc)?

In addition, the WHO have repeatedly said testing is better than either vaccination or previous recovery for travel safety. So why aren’t tests being allowed as an alternative to vax proof? They’d actually be better.

I’ll give you a clue. It’s not about the safety of you or the vulnerable…..

[Derek Hardballs]

And what about all those kids that attend with their parents? Will they be allowed to go to watch matches? Surely not seeing how the virus rampages through schools.

On the news this morning it said that 1 million kids missed school last week through isolation with 43k testing positive.

Wait til it’s every restaurant, pub, entertainment venue. Supermarkets will be the only thing left, they’ll just about allow people who exercise their medical choice to buy food, kind hearted governing that they are. Probably.

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No! There are many including children under 12 who are specifically but not exclusively vulnerable to Covid. The chance that they would die from a cold or flu for example are significantly smaller than if they caught Covid. Your tough-titty argument can easily be reversed for those perfectly fit and healthy people who can but refuse to have the vaccine, or the passport. You are simply putting the rights of the fittest ahead of the weakest in society. If you're comfortable with this and think rights always trump responsibilities then fair enough but I'm never going to agree or respect that decision. If I'm mistaken then I will apologise in advance.

The argument about 'Fear' is real for many families who could lose a child to Covid and to not even try and see it from their perspective is quire a slap in the face. Passports wouldn't even be on the agenda if people simply had the vaccine in sufficient numbers. We want our rights but we abdicate all responsibility to the rest of society!

At least you admit your "Zero Covid" stance Dekka.

It is however the most singularly illiberal, selfish, authoritarian and wealth destroying take it's possible to have.

Whatever Proth,  I don't need lectures in selfishness from someone who advocates the use of charities as the best means to support sick and disabled children.

No one expects zero cases of Covid, however you don't control a disease that isn't the flu or cold by letting it rip through the population unhindered. 84% of hospital admissions for Covid are now from the under 50's (LBC report 20th July). The Delta variant and the lack of vaccination in this age group is the reason hospitals will be put under pressure because of numpties you admire /  'MP friends' lobbying for even the most basic of safety measures to be taken away. This won't help the economy, health or confidence for people to go out. I know several events that have been cancelled because organisers don't feel they can keep people safe, don't want to be liable for an outbreak and the hassle they will get from bolshy idiots demanding their right to ignore the safety of others.

Dekka, someone infected in the last 6 months is less risk to others (due to antibodies) than someone vaccinated (as they can have the virus and pass it on). Can you explain therefore why proof of previous infection is not allowable in nightclubs (soon to be pubs, sport etc)?

In addition, the WHO have repeatedly said testing is better than either vaccination or previous recovery for travel safety. So why aren’t tests being allowed as an alternative to vax proof? They’d actually be better.

I’ll give you a clue. It’s not about the safety of you or the vulnerable…..

What is it about?

[backsidebaggie]

And what about all those kids that attend with their parents? Will they be allowed to go to watch matches? Surely not seeing how the virus rampages through schools.

On the news this morning it said that 1 million kids missed school last week through isolation with 43k testing positive.

Wait til it’s every restaurant, pub, entertainment venue. Supermarkets will be the only thing left, they’ll just about allow people who exercise their medical choice to buy food, kind hearted governing that they are. Probably.

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No! There are many including children under 12 who are specifically but not exclusively vulnerable to Covid. The chance that they would die from a cold or flu for example are significantly smaller than if they caught Covid. Your tough-titty argument can easily be reversed for those perfectly fit and healthy people who can but refuse to have the vaccine, or the passport. You are simply putting the rights of the fittest ahead of the weakest in society. If you're comfortable with this and think rights always trump responsibilities then fair enough but I'm never going to agree or respect that decision. If I'm mistaken then I will apologise in advance.

The argument about 'Fear' is real for many families who could lose a child to Covid and to not even try and see it from their perspective is quire a slap in the face. Passports wouldn't even be on the agenda if people simply had the vaccine in sufficient numbers. We want our rights but we abdicate all responsibility to the rest of society!

At least you admit your "Zero Covid" stance Dekka.

It is however the most singularly illiberal, selfish, authoritarian and wealth destroying take it's possible to have.

Whatever Proth,  I don't need lectures in selfishness from someone who advocates the use of charities as the best means to support sick and disabled children.

No one expects zero cases of Covid, however you don't control a disease that isn't the flu or cold by letting it rip through the population unhindered. 84% of hospital admissions for Covid are now from the under 50's (LBC report 20th July). The Delta variant and the lack of vaccination in this age group is the reason hospitals will be put under pressure because of numpties you admire /  'MP friends' lobbying for even the most basic of safety measures to be taken away. This won't help the economy, health or confidence for people to go out. I know several events that have been cancelled because organisers don't feel they can keep people safe, don't want to be liable for an outbreak and the hassle they will get from bolshy idiots demanding their right to ignore the safety of others.

Dekka, someone infected in the last 6 months is less risk to others (due to antibodies) than someone vaccinated (as they can have the virus and pass it on). Can you explain therefore why proof of previous infection is not allowable in nightclubs (soon to be pubs, sport etc)?

In addition, the WHO have repeatedly said testing is better than either vaccination or previous recovery for travel safety. So why aren’t tests being allowed as an alternative to vax proof? They’d actually be better.

I’ll give you a clue. It’s not about the safety of you or the vulnerable…..

What is it about?

Specifically, I don’t know. But some form of increased control, or authoritarianism, or money (shares in big pharma anyone?) would be my guess.

But can you answer how “the science” can not allow a negative test or previous recovery as a requirement? We keep being told follow the science. So can anyone explain this? It doesn’t sound like following the science to me…

I bet no journalists asks Sage/the government this….