King Jeff
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(01-19-2025, 07:41 PM)Old Fart Wrote:
(01-19-2025, 07:25 PM)Tom Joad Wrote:
(01-19-2025, 06:59 PM)Ournextstriker Wrote: I never saw him play and have only seen a few of his goals, usually towering headers.

So how would those that saw him describe his style of play and who would he compare to?
Almost every club then had a big centre forward. The only exceptions I recall were Man Utd with Bobby Charlton and Liverpool with Ian St.John. Both very fine players but totally different. I really cannot think of any in Jeff's style that were better.  The difference, and it's often overlooked, was that Jeff was decent on the deck as well. His time unfortunately coincided with the then England manager playing with no wingers so he didn't get the number of caps he might have done. 

Off the top of my head (See what I did?)
Dings. The Doog
Leeds, Mick Jones
Saints, Ron Davies
Spurs, Chivers.
Chelsea, Osgood.
Newcastle, Wyn Davies.
Everton, Joe Royle.

Jeff was better than any of them, really.

I disagree.  Liverpool had Tony Hateley who scored 27 goals in 67/68 season.  Both Jeff and Hateley were products of Notts County.

Just to clarify,  I disagree with Tom, not that Hateley was better than Jeff.  Jeff was a better all round player than Hateley. Bill Shankly built his side on a big keeper, Porky Lawrence,   a big centre half - Stan Yates, and players like Hateley.  Ian St John was more of a Tony Brown type striker. 

 Hateley played for Villa .  Liverpool bought him for a new record sum of £98,000 at the time. I was on holiday  at a Tawd Vale Scout camp near Liverpool at the time and the locals were ecstatic that they had signed Hateley.
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(01-19-2025, 11:07 PM)Old Fart Wrote:
(01-19-2025, 07:41 PM)Old Fart Wrote:
(01-19-2025, 07:25 PM)Tom Joad Wrote:
(01-19-2025, 06:59 PM)Ournextstriker Wrote: I never saw him play and have only seen a few of his goals, usually towering headers.

So how would those that saw him describe his style of play and who would he compare to?
Almost every club then had a big centre forward. The only exceptions I recall were Man Utd with Bobby Charlton and Liverpool with Ian St.John. Both very fine players but totally different. I really cannot think of any in Jeff's style that were better.  The difference, and it's often overlooked, was that Jeff was decent on the deck as well. His time unfortunately coincided with the then England manager playing with no wingers so he didn't get the number of caps he might have done. 

Off the top of my head (See what I did?)
Dings. The Doog
Leeds, Mick Jones
Saints, Ron Davies
Spurs, Chivers.
Chelsea, Osgood.
Newcastle, Wyn Davies.
Everton, Joe Royle.

Jeff was better than any of them, really.

I disagree.  Liverpool had Tony Hateley who scored 27 goals in 67/68 season.  Both Jeff and Hateley were products of Notts County.

Just to clarify,  I disagree with Tom, not that Hateley was better than Jeff.  Jeff was a better all round player than Hateley. Bill Shankly built his side on a big keeper, Porky Lawrence,   a big centre half - Stan Yates, and players like Hateley.  Ian St John was more of a Tony Brown type striker. 

 Hateley played for Villa .  Liverpool bought him for a new record sum of £98,000 at the time. I was on holiday  at a Tawd Vale Scout camp near Liverpool at the time and the locals were ecstatic that they had signed Hateley.

Hateley lasted a year at Liverpool,  and about the same everywhere else he played. I didn't mention him because he isn't worth bringing up in a fred about Astle.
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