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Brexit Party
34.74%
33 34.74%
Conservatives
5.26%
5 5.26%
Greens
14.74%
14 14.74%
Labour
8.42%
8 8.42%
Lib Dems
15.79%
15 15.79%
UKIP
1.05%
1 1.05%
Other
1.05%
1 1.05%
Didn't vote, load of bollocks, ay it
18.95%
18 18.95%
Total 95 vote(s) 100%
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(05-28-2019, 07:47 PM)Falcon81 Wrote:
(05-28-2019, 02:06 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(05-28-2019, 01:47 PM)Falcon81 Wrote: The art of persuasion does not involve telling someone they are an idiot

Lol I think the positions have long since been taken but as you say the language used by both sides of the argument isn't / hasn't helped. 

That's where we are now though, compromise is a dirty word so I cannot see another way other than crashing out or going back to the people for one last vote. I don't see this as anit-democratic quite the contrary. In a strange way I would be more reconciled to leave knowing people actually knew / know what they are voting for to a certain extent. The last vote was so binary that it was always going to cause the polarisation of opinion.

Maybe, but do you think you owe it to everyone who wants to remain and their children to try to persuade rather than entrench, in an effort to overturn the narrow margin that would swing a public vote the other way should a 2nd referendum happen.

Maybe but the two trenches have been dug now and all I see is a very painful and potentially dangerous war of attrition. Leave voters won’t accept a vote that says we stay without imo civil unrest.  I don’t have the answer and the problem is no one does. It was an extremely damaging decision to have a referendum and will polite exchanges of ideas help? I’m sceptical as the debate will mean we are lying to ourselves and those we disagree with.
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#82
(05-28-2019, 08:04 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(05-28-2019, 07:47 PM)Falcon81 Wrote:
(05-28-2019, 02:06 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(05-28-2019, 01:47 PM)Falcon81 Wrote: The art of persuasion does not involve telling someone they are an idiot

Lol I think the positions have long since been taken but as you say the language used by both sides of the argument isn't / hasn't helped. 

That's where we are now though, compromise is a dirty word so I cannot see another way other than crashing out or going back to the people for one last vote. I don't see this as anit-democratic quite the contrary. In a strange way I would be more reconciled to leave knowing people actually knew / know what they are voting for to a certain extent. The last vote was so binary that it was always going to cause the polarisation of opinion.

Maybe, but do you think you owe it to everyone who wants to remain and their children to try to persuade rather than entrench, in an effort to overturn the narrow margin that would swing a public vote the other way should a 2nd referendum happen.

Maybe but the two trenches have been dug now and all I see is a very painful and potentially dangerous war of attrition. Leave voters won’t accept a vote that says we stay without imo civil unrest.  I don’t have the answer and the problem is no one does. It was an extremely damaging decision to have a referendum and will polite exchanges of ideas help? I’m sceptical as the debate will mean we are lying to ourselves and those we disagree with.

The damage may well already be done, but one can only try.
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