For those that voted Tory at the last elect what is there to be proud of?

[Derek Hardballs]

The fact is that we were running a huge deficit thanks to the flagrant spending / vote buying of labour, if you dont think we needed to reign in that spending then you are part of the problem.
I suppose you would prefer we did nothing with regards to illegal immigration? As for windrush, that is a classic case of what i am on about when i say leftards try to pin everything unpleasant on a particular party. It was labour who decided to destroy the landing cards of the windrush immigrants when they were in power in 2009. Tell me what exaclty is wrong with putting illegal immigrants on notice like the vans were designed to ? So what if it upsets the professional offence takers of the country.
I have serious doubts that police cuts have much to do with the increase in knife crime. Its yet more political posturing by the left and police chiefs who will always argue they need more money and use any tool they can to do so. I'm also unsure that the type of kids getting involved selling drugs and gangs would be at all swayed by the opportunity to join their local youth club and play table tennis instead, but i suppose that doesnt give you any poltitical ammunition. Gang crime has far more to do with the fact that half these kids have parents who dont give a fuck about them rather than anything the governemt has done. And no, its not down to the government to provide a replacement family. Crime rates actually dropped for the 1st few years after the tories were elected, you know when austerity was at its hardest. Do you really think things would be better with Diane Abbott running the home office? The cause of crime is far more complex than a few youth services and coppers being cut. You know that but chose to use it as poltical beating stick.
I have a disabled brother who  currently drives a brand new mercedes paid for from benefits given to him, yep he is really suffering from this cruel government. Much like the mother of a severely disabled child i know who has overnight care every night and has been on 3 holidays this year. I'm not saying they shouldn't have these things, but it does expose your generalising and talking utter crap.  These are real life cases i know of, but no doubt you will dismiss them as anecdotal in favour of some figures plucked from the guardian or suchlike but that is the reality i know of.
Basically you regurgitate any old crap as long as it suits your left wing agenda Derek, its no wonder so many think you talk shit

The people on here that think I “talk shit” make me all the more convinced I’m talking wisely and from an informed position. The arguments you put forward I’ve heard bandied about by ‘righthards’ frequently and are no less agenda driven or sweeping than anything I have written. For every anecdote you put forward as proof I can put one, two, three that contradicts them but am
unwilling to provide this proof here.

You assume that I’m talking from a position of ignorance and no experience with regards to many of the failures of this government? Having had my wages paid for from the public purse for over twenty years I think I’m slightly more inclined to favour ineffective public spending than people who sit in an office performing an IT role for example.

Fixed for you

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The fact that people like Sotv actually exist makes me f*cking weep.

To answer the question, no there has not been a worse government that I can remember. Surely there is no way that anyone with a human conscience can vote for them again.

ps. I'm not a particularly big Corbyn fan but he obviously isn't a "terrorist lover" and I'm yet to hear of anything that I regard as *actually* anti-semitic that has come out of the Labour party

Of course he isn’t, I mean supporting the IRA (then lying it was about the peace process despite no one involved in the peace process ever remembering him being present at any relevant meetings) and placing a wreath on the grave of a black September member is all perfectly normal.
As for not seeing anything anti Semitic coming from labour, that just about sums up the problem
the party has.

I have worked for myself for over a decade and before that I worked in the public sector for just two years over 18yrs ago. Nice try...

[baggy1]

In answer to the OP, I voted Conservative at the last election based on the way I felt at the time. My world is pretty comfortable and I could see business picking up, my kids were getting into work and progressing nicely so therefore I considered that the status quo suited me. I really don't feel ashamed of that decision made at a point in time that I could justify it. Plus I'm not certain there was much choice to be made at the time as Corbyn scares the life out of me.

Having said that looking at the current bunch of loons that hold power in the Conservative party, will I vote for them again - no chance unless something drastically changes. And the writing was on the wall and embarrassingly I was aware of May's reputation as Home Secretary as someone who got her way and thought that would be good for the country - how wrong I was.

Going forward - I really don't see who I would vote for going forward, there are some politicians who I see as having the right idea and matching my views, but unfortunately not enough of them. I am very interested to see how the 'Independant Group' progress because on the face of it their views match mine. I want politicians that speak sense for the country as a whole and not want to implement their ideology on everyone.

Possibly the most 'interesting' political times in my lifetime - fuck knows where it will end up.

[Sotv]

The fact is that we were running a huge deficit thanks to the flagrant spending / vote buying of labour, if you dont think we needed to reign in that spending then you are part of the problem.
I suppose you would prefer we did nothing with regards to illegal immigration? As for windrush, that is a classic case of what i am on about when i say leftards try to pin everything unpleasant on a particular party. It was labour who decided to destroy the landing cards of the windrush immigrants when they were in power in 2009. Tell me what exaclty is wrong with putting illegal immigrants on notice like the vans were designed to ? So what if it upsets the professional offence takers of the country.
I have serious doubts that police cuts have much to do with the increase in knife crime. Its yet more political posturing by the left and police chiefs who will always argue they need more money and use any tool they can to do so. I'm also unsure that the type of kids getting involved selling drugs and gangs would be at all swayed by the opportunity to join their local youth club and play table tennis instead, but i suppose that doesnt give you any poltitical ammunition. Gang crime has far more to do with the fact that half these kids have parents who dont give a fuck about them rather than anything the governemt has done. And no, its not down to the government to provide a replacement family. Crime rates actually dropped for the 1st few years after the tories were elected, you know when austerity was at its hardest. Do you really think things would be better with Diane Abbott running the home office? The cause of crime is far more complex than a few youth services and coppers being cut. You know that but chose to use it as poltical beating stick.
I have a disabled brother who  currently drives a brand new mercedes paid for from benefits given to him, yep he is really suffering from this cruel government. Much like the mother of a severely disabled child i know who has overnight care every night and has been on 3 holidays this year. I'm not saying they shouldn't have these things, but it does expose your generalising and talking utter crap.  These are real life cases i know of, but no doubt you will dismiss them as anecdotal in favour of some figures plucked from the guardian or suchlike but that is the reality i know of.
Basically you regurgitate any old crap as long as it suits your left wing agenda Derek, its no wonder so many think you talk shit

The people on here that think I “talk shit” make me all the more convinced I’m talking wisely and from an informed position. The arguments you put forward I’ve heard bandied about by ‘righthards’ frequently and are no less agenda driven or sweeping than anything I have written. For every anecdote you put forward as proof I can put one, two, three that contradicts them but am
unwilling to provide this proof here.

You assume that I’m talking from a position of ignorance and no experience with regards to many of the failures of this government? Having had my wages paid for from the public purse for over twenty years I think I’m slightly more inclined to favour ineffective public spending than people who sit in an office performing an IT role for example.

Fixed for you

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The fact that people like Sotv actually exist makes me f*cking weep.

To answer the question, no there has not been a worse government that I can remember. Surely there is no way that anyone with a human conscience can vote for them again.

ps. I'm not a particularly big Corbyn fan but he obviously isn't a "terrorist lover" and I'm yet to hear of anything that I regard as *actually* anti-semitic that has come out of the Labour party

Of course he isn’t, I mean supporting the IRA (then lying it was about the peace process despite no one involved in the peace process ever remembering him being present at any relevant meetings) and placing a wreath on the grave of a black September member is all perfectly normal.
As for not seeing anything anti Semitic coming from labour, that just about sums up the problem
the party has.

I have worked for myself for over a decade and before that I worked in the public sector for just two years over 18yrs ago. Nice try...

But where does your money come from now you are were self employed? Don’t tell me you are one of those greedy consultants who milk contracts providing services to the public sector. The kid of expertise you claim is only ever paid out of the public purse ultimately

[Winst_Baggie]

SOTV may I suggest that you STFU


No problem with sticking up for the Tories (even though I disagree with almost everything you have said ...) but the way you vilify any public sector worker, or those who work as contractors for the public sector is nothing short of disgraceful.


Not that I need to justify my political position - but I have voted for all 3 of the major parties in my three elections, and so I don't have any particular ties to any party. My primary concern at the moment is stopping Brexit, and I vote for pretty much anybody who had it in their manifesto to do so!

[Derek Hardballs]

SOTV may I suggest that you STFU


No problem with sticking up for the Tories (even though I disagree with almost everything you have said ...) but the way you vilify any public sector worker, or those who work as contractors for the public sector is nothing short of disgraceful.


Not that I need to justify my political position - but I have voted for all 3 of the major parties in my three elections, and so I don't have any particular ties to any party. My primary concern at the moment is stopping Brexit, and I vote for pretty much anybody who had it in their manifesto to do so!

What King Astle never gets is the public and private are intertwined and need each other. 

I’ve done work for the public, private and third sector. I don’t milk anyone I do the very best I can for my clients whoever they are, and produce something tangible for my money. I’m not a huge pharmaceutical company hiking up prices to make vast profits, I’m not a giant corporate organisation that prisons and other front line services are hived off to by successive governments and I’m not an IT company promising the public sector the earth whilst on many occasions failing to deliver. I’m also not a consultant but why let cliches get in the way of right wing rhetoric.

[Sotv]

SOTV may I suggest that you STFU


No problem with sticking up for the Tories (even though I disagree with almost everything you have said ...) but the way you vilify any public sector worker, or those who work as contractors for the public sector is nothing short of disgraceful.


Not that I need to justify my political position - but I have voted for all 3 of the major parties in my three elections, and so I don't have any particular ties to any party. My primary concern at the moment is stopping Brexit, and I vote for pretty much anybody who had it in their manifesto to do so!

i haven't, stop talking shit.

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SOTV may I suggest that you STFU


No problem with sticking up for the Tories (even though I disagree with almost everything you have said ...) but the way you vilify any public sector worker, or those who work as contractors for the public sector is nothing short of disgraceful.


Not that I need to justify my political position - but I have voted for all 3 of the major parties in my three elections, and so I don't have any particular ties to any party. My primary concern at the moment is stopping Brexit, and I vote for pretty much anybody who had it in their manifesto to do so!

What King Astle never gets is the public and private are intertwined and need each other. 

I’ve done work for the public, private and third sector. I don’t milk anyone I do the very best I can for my clients whoever they are, and produce something tangible for my money. I’m not a huge pharmaceutical company hiking up prices to make vast profits, I’m not a giant corporate organisation that prisons and other front line services are hived off to by successive governments and I’m not an IT company promising the public sector the earth whilst on many occasions failing to deliver. I’m also not a consultant but why let cliches get in the way of right wing rhetoric.

its case of exposoing your political viewpoint as driven by how you earn your living and who ultimately pays your wages. Do you not think it hypocritical to also argue against privatisation of service yet work in self employed capacity taking money from the public sector?

[Duffers]

Anyone who uses the phrase “leftard” doesn’t deserve to have their opinion taken seriously.

See also: “Gammon”, “Snowflake”

[Derek Hardballs]

SOTV may I suggest that you STFU


No problem with sticking up for the Tories (even though I disagree with almost everything you have said ...) but the way you vilify any public sector worker, or those who work as contractors for the public sector is nothing short of disgraceful.


Not that I need to justify my political position - but I have voted for all 3 of the major parties in my three elections, and so I don't have any particular ties to any party. My primary concern at the moment is stopping Brexit, and I vote for pretty much anybody who had it in their manifesto to do so!

i haven't, stop talking shit.

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SOTV may I suggest that you STFU


No problem with sticking up for the Tories (even though I disagree with almost everything you have said ...) but the way you vilify any public sector worker, or those who work as contractors for the public sector is nothing short of disgraceful.


Not that I need to justify my political position - but I have voted for all 3 of the major parties in my three elections, and so I don't have any particular ties to any party. My primary concern at the moment is stopping Brexit, and I vote for pretty much anybody who had it in their manifesto to do so!

What King Astle never gets is the public and private are intertwined and need each other. 

I’ve done work for the public, private and third sector. I don’t milk anyone I do the very best I can for my clients whoever they are, and produce something tangible for my money. I’m not a huge pharmaceutical company hiking up prices to make vast profits, I’m not a giant corporate organisation that prisons and other front line services are hived off to by successive governments and I’m not an IT company promising the public sector the earth whilst on many occasions failing to deliver. I’m also not a consultant but why let cliches get in the way of right wing rhetoric.

its case of exposoing your political viewpoint as driven by how you earn your living and who ultimately pays your wages. Do you not think it hypocritical to also argue against privatisation of service yet work in self employed capacity taking money from the public sector?

My political viewpoint is centre left. My simple premise is this...no party has all the answers, no ideology has all the answers, but for society to function there needs to be fairness of opportunity, a robust and well funded public sector supported by healthy private sector that does not look to hide / minimise to obsecene levels the tax it pays. The two sectors need each other as our more grown up Scandinavian neighbours regularly show us. 

Your argument is flawed because you seem incapable of seeing the moderate middle ground. If you make thousands of front line staff redundant from jobs in the public sector, the issues they looked to address don’t go away they still need addressing, so who does those jobs? Austerity something you relish like a dog with a big juicy bonee is why the public and private sector rely on each other ever moreso. 

Policy of successive governments creates hypocrisy not the other way around.

[fbaggy]

The left are making it easy for the conservatives with a joke of a leader, latest poll reads for "who do you want to lead the country?"

Corbyn 19%
May 31%
Dont Know 46%

[Duffers]

The left are making it easy for the conservatives with a joke of a leader, latest poll reads for "who do you want to lead the country?"

Corbyn 19%
May 31%
Dont Know 46%

That Labour can’t beat this shower of cunts is a disgrace.