For those that voted Tory at the last elect what is there to be proud of?
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Knife crime explosion 
Brexit fiasco 
Cuts to the disabled
Schools having to beg parents for essentials whilst some have to operate on four day week 
Cuts to councils front line services including youth, Libraries, early years, Carers 
Mental health provision falling to pieces 
Homelessness risen since 2010
General nastiness and division across the country at an all time high in my living memory
Grayling (spelling) 

Has there ever been a worse government?
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#2
Do you think that terrorist loving clown would have done any better?
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(03-18-2019, 08:29 PM)Sotv Wrote: Do you think that terrorist loving clown would have done any better?

That wasn’t the question if I was a Tory voter I would be embarrassed by my decision to vote for them.
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#4
no, yours was a loaded question that sought to place the blame for all social ills on one particular party, its the stock in trade of leftard moaners.
If i was a labour voter i would be emabrrased to have voted for them and their anti semtic leadership
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(03-18-2019, 08:41 PM)Sotv Wrote: no, yours was a loaded question that sought to place the blame for all social ills on one particular party, its the stock in trade of leftard moaners.
If i was a labour voter i would be emabrrased to have voted for them and their anti semtic leadership

They are to blame for all that I listed. Pretending that they are victims of circumstance is generous to say the least. Using cliches such as leftards weakens an argument.
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So its tories going out and stabbing kids? The majority of political nastiness i see across social media tends to emenate from the left, not the tories.
It also debatable about who is to blame for much of the other stuff you listed. If i remember correctly, it was Labour who bankrupted the country and left us broke forcing us to balance the books. Though as any good socialist knows, you can just keep borrowing from the bottomless pit in order to buy todays votes at the expense of future generations. And that is if half of what you claim is even true, leftards have a habit of claiming doom and gloom in order to magnify their own political cause. Just today, Martin Lewis was telling on radio 5 how labour politicians have admitted to him that his view on student loans not being debt in the tradional sense is actually correct but that it weakens their position. Yep, the heroes of the working class are actively putting working class kids off higher education in order to further their own political purposes.
Picking on the phrases people use and claiming it weakens an argument really does show just how poor your own arguments are.
But of course, this all flies in the face of the gospel according to Derek so it must be wrong.
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(03-18-2019, 08:53 PM)Sotv Wrote: So its tories going out and stabbing kids? The majority of political nastiness i see across social media tends to emenate from the left, not the tories.
It also debatable about who is to blame for much of the other stuff you listed. If i remember correctly, it was Labour who bankrupted the country and left us broke forcing us to balance the books. Though as any good socialist knows, you can just keep borrowing from the bottomless pit in order to buy todays votes at the expense of future generations. And that is if half of what you claim is even true, leftards have a habit of claiming doom and gloom in order to magnify their own political cause. Just today, Martin Lewis was telling on radio 5 how labour politicians have admitted to him that his view on student loans not being debt in the tradional sense is actually correct but that it weakens their position. Yep, the heroes of the working class are actively putting working class kids off higher education in order to further their own political purposes.
Picking on the phrases people use and claiming it weakens an argument really does show just how poor your own arguments are.
But of course, this all flies in the face of the gospel according to Derek so it must be wrong.

As far as I was aware the recession was global and I heard absolutely nothing from Tories to reign in the banks. I do recall them saying there should be even less regulation. Balancing the books my arse, the cuts are and were ideological and continue to be. 

You missed the Teresa May inspired illegal immigrants van driving around the streets or the Windrush scandal or the way the disabled have been treated by this caring sharing government.

Oh yeah I forgot Police cuts, youth offending programs cut, none of which had any effect on knife crime but thank you for reminding me.
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The fact is that we were running a huge deficit thanks to the flagrant spending / vote buying of labour, if you dont think we needed to reign in that spending then you are part of the problem.
I suppose you would prefer we did nothing with regards to illegal immigration? As for windrush, that is a classic case of what i am on about when i say leftards try to pin everything unpleasant on a particular party. It was labour who decided to destroy the landing cards of the windrush immigrants when they were in power in 2009. Tell me what exaclty is wrong with putting illegal immigrants on notice like the vans were designed to ? So what if it upsets the professional offence takers of the country.
I have serious doubts that police cuts have much to do with the increase in knife crime. Its yet more political posturing by the left and police chiefs who will always argue they need more money and use any tool they can to do so. I'm also unsure that the type of kids getting involved selling drugs and gangs would be at all swayed by the opportunity to join their local youth club and play table tennis instead, but i suppose that doesnt give you any poltitical ammunition. Gang crime has far more to do with the fact that half these kids have parents who dont give a fuck about them rather than anything the governemt has done. And no, its not down to the government to provide a replacement family. Crime rates actually dropped for the 1st few years after the tories were elected, you know when austerity was at its hardest. Do you really think things would be better with Diane Abbott running the home office? The cause of crime is far more complex than a few youth services and coppers being cut. You know that but chose to use it as poltical beating stick.
I have a disabled brother who currently drives a brand new mercedes paid for from benefits given to him, yep he is really suffering from this cruel government. Much like the mother of a severely disabled child i know who has overnight care every night and has been on 3 holidays this year. I'm not saying they shouldn't have these things, but it does expose your generalising and talking utter crap. These are real life cases i know of, but no doubt you will dismiss them as anecdotal in favour of some figures plucked from the guardian or suchlike but that is the reality i know of.
Basically you regurgitate any old crap as long as it suits your left wing agenda Derek, its no wonder so many think you talk shit
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(03-18-2019, 09:52 PM)Sotv Wrote: The fact is that we were running a huge deficit thanks to the flagrant spending / vote buying of labour, if you dont think we needed to reign in that spending then you are part of the problem.
I suppose you would prefer we did nothing with regards to illegal immigration? As for windrush, that is a classic case of what i am on about when i say leftards try to pin everything unpleasant on a particular party. It was labour who decided to destroy the landing cards of the windrush immigrants when they were in power in 2009. Tell me what exaclty is wrong with putting illegal immigrants on notice like the vans were designed to ? So what if it upsets the professional offence takers of the country.
I have serious doubts that police cuts have much to do with the increase in knife crime. Its yet more political posturing by the left and police chiefs who will always argue they need more money and use any tool they can to do so. I'm also unsure that the type of kids getting involved selling drugs and gangs would be at all swayed by the opportunity to join their local youth club and play table tennis instead, but i suppose that doesnt give you any poltitical ammunition. Gang crime has far more to do with the fact that half these kids have parents who dont give a fuck about them rather than anything the governemt has done. And no, its not down to the government to provide a replacement family. Crime rates actually dropped for the 1st few years after the tories were elected, you know when austerity was at its hardest. Do you really think things would be better with Diane Abbott running the home office? The cause of crime is far more complex than a few youth services and coppers being cut. You know that but chose to use it as poltical beating stick.
I have a disabled brother who  currently drives a brand new mercedes paid for from benefits given to him, yep he is really suffering from this cruel government. Much like the mother of a severely disabled child i know who has overnight care every night and has been on 3 holidays this year. I'm not saying they shouldn't have these things, but it does expose your generalising and talking utter crap.  These are real life cases i know of, but no doubt you will dismiss them as anecdotal in favour of some figures plucked from the guardian or suchlike but that is the reality i know of.
Basically you regurgitate any old crap as long as it suits your left wing agenda Derek, its no wonder so many think you talk shit

After ten years of growth in 2007 Labour had a structural deficit of virtually zero at - 0.4% and also budget deficit of - 0.4% 
Conservatives were in office during 1979 - 1997 they had 18 structural deficits in 18 years. Conservatives ran structural deficits before all three recessions that occurred during 1979 - 1997. Moreover, it is clear the roof was never fixed whilst the sun was shining.
 
The global crash of 2008 was caused by private borrowing not public borrowing (fact) and you are a fucking dimwit if you believe otherwise.
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#10
The fact that people like Sotv actually exist makes me f*cking weep.

To answer the question, no there has not been a worse government that I can remember. Surely there is no way that anyone with a human conscience can vote for them again.

ps. I'm not a particularly big Corbyn fan but he obviously isn't a "terrorist lover" and I'm yet to hear of anything that I regard as *actually* anti-semitic that has come out of the Labour party
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