04-14-2021, 01:19 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-14-2021, 01:21 PM by backsidebaggie.)
(04-14-2021, 01:10 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(04-14-2021, 12:06 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote:(04-14-2021, 11:45 AM)baggy1 Wrote: You seem to be stuck in a binary world where vaccines alone will work, they are a tool in the armoury to use alongside social distancing, testing, masks and if needed lockdowns. It is becoming clear that without the majority of people vaccinated we will have to rely on the other tools including lockdowns.
The striking point in all of this is the stupidity of people and their 'distrust of authority / government'. These appear to be the same people who trust 'experts' on social media that have constantly been wrong about 'we've reached herd immunity', 'it's seasonal', 'it's endemic not pandemic', 'the vaccines are dangerous', 'the vaccine can cause infertility', 'we don't need lockdowns' - that really is strikingly stupid.
It's all very well saying this but which Government are we supposed to trust? For example with the AZ jab we are not using it on under 30's whilst others are using it only on people over 50 and Denmark have banned it all together. Who is correct?
It's not which one is correct or not, they are all making decisions based on their perceived risk. It is logical to think that the AZ vaccine is safe based on the tens of millions of doses dished out and the handful of cases that have subsequently suffered with a bloodclot. They are being cautious until they get more information but the reality is that it is extremely unlikely that this would be a widespread problem. The govts are making decisions based on their options available and the rollout timetable, it is the only vaccine with any issues to investigate so they are using other options, they're not stopping using it.
(04-14-2021, 12:08 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:(04-14-2021, 12:06 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote:(04-14-2021, 11:45 AM)baggy1 Wrote: You seem to be stuck in a binary world where vaccines alone will work, they are a tool in the armoury to use alongside social distancing, testing, masks and if needed lockdowns. It is becoming clear that without the majority of people vaccinated we will have to rely on the other tools including lockdowns.
The striking point in all of this is the stupidity of people and their 'distrust of authority / government'. These appear to be the same people who trust 'experts' on social media that have constantly been wrong about 'we've reached herd immunity', 'it's seasonal', 'it's endemic not pandemic', 'the vaccines are dangerous', 'the vaccine can cause infertility', 'we don't need lockdowns' - that really is strikingly stupid.
It's all very well saying this but which Government are we supposed to trust? For example with the AZ jab we are not using it on under 30's whilst others are using it only on people over 50 and Denmark have banned it all together. Who is correct?
Plus the government keep lying and moving goalposts. So people are going to trust them less and less.
You should mention that more often, it would give someone else the option to point out that facts change. Fucks sake bb, give up on this one.
No need for that. You mention telling everyone they should get vaccinated on a lot of posts repeatedly but I don’t make comments like that to you and tell you to give up. It’s a forum, if you don’t like my posts don’t read them. I won’t give up saying something because you tell me to. I’m certainly not trolling, it is a valid point.
And on that point, I don’t accept that the facts have changed enough for some of the incidents of goalposts moving. I simply think the government have lied knowing full well they were going to change their stance. So I won’t give up on that point. If you want to believe the governments narrative that’s fine. There’s been too many changes and contradictions and Uturns for me not to question them.