Leicester Localised Lockdown

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If I'm reading this right you're implying that 10 years ago, saying something that was blatantly homophobic in public with no backlash was a good thing because of freedom of speech? Either that or the level of education on this issue is much higher now than 10 years ago that people know gay parents either adopt, use donors or have surrogates and that's not even mentioning nothing about parental upbringing or birth nowadays is "natural". Social attitudes change, 40 years ago it was not socially acceptable to be gay and socially acceptable to say that gay people were mentally ill and 60 years ago being gay meant you could be chemically castrated even if you were a war hero. Not sure why someone would be called fascist for that nowadays, homophobic yes but the only people I can imagine complain about being called fascist for that hold other views that are much more extreme such as they overlap with the regimentation of society within fascism such as thinking gay people are an underclass who don't deserve the same rights or something. The reason nobody discusses that anymore is because it either outs the person saying that as a bigot or as a massive idiot.

Regarding freedom of speech, your position is a fallacy. By politically encouraging the views of some via protections you're suppressing the freedom of speech of those who disagree with it which can open up a big can of worms. This is why the only policing of freedom of speech is in relation to the state (ECtHR and the US constitution for example) as if you try and police private individuals no matter what way you try to balance things you're infringing on people's rights to free speech.

On this particular topic, I've seen nobody afraid of asserting that religious or ethnicity might affect the attitude to the response to the lockdown as I've seen it discussed plenty. What I've not seen is people calling out older people for being more likely to break lockdown than younger people or the reasons why working class older men are also considered a high risk group. The issue to me is that people like complaining instead of doing things or ignoring other factors such as in this particular area of Leicester where cases have spiked likely having a distrust of authority due to the actions of the government and local councils against them over the last 30 years, with nobody accounting for that potentially being a reason why they're ignoring advice as it's not been corroborated by other parts of the country with a similar ethnic makeup but a different reaction.

No. You illustrate the point I made perfectly.
I firstly gave this as an example rather than saying it’s my opinion. It isn’t. I’m totally fine with gay parenting and I would certainly have taken the latter point in this argument.
However, I would try to see other points of view. Is it seen as strange? Yes. It hadn’t happened before on a widespread scale as it was unnatural. That word meaning not part of nature. However, even the word unnatural is loaded at this time.
So dare we mention the behaviour of other ethnic groups with people like you about? Not likely. People like you are the reason for Trump and Brexit.
I’m liberal, but realise some people are conservative and slow to accept change. The fact is the extreme left wing is extremely intolerant and totally lacking perspective. For instance someone last week said he being Asian and asked if he could drink was micro racism. It was a comment on a BBC story!
I shook my head as this perfectly demonstrates acute hypersensitivity.
People can’t find the words now to try to reason anything because of such nonsense. Their voices have been silenced and it’s stoked up something more sinister as is clear.
The world isn’t perfect, some people are slower than others to accept change but alienating them is having a much more destructive path and your argument brilliantly shows that. 
I hope Kier Starmer can help change the madness in the Labour Party because you will have more real fascism and racism otherwise.

I didn't say it was your opinion on gay parenting, I deliberately made an effort to avoid implying it was because I don't think it is. The only thing I attributed to you was you thinking that saying something that is textbook homophobia (basing parental ability on sexuality) is an OK view to air because of free speech despite it being outright stupid with no merit behind whatsoever. 10 years ago I might have bothered to challenge that view as society was less accepting of gay people and gay couple adoption was only brought in in 2002 so a lot more people would have been ignorant to the facts but nowadays I'm not going to bother as that issue has been settled and the only people who disagree with it tend to be either too bigoted to change their view or don't care enough to listen to things outside their worldview to change their opinion on it.

As for "people like me", first I am not left wing in the slightest. I have never voted Labour, I voted Green in the last European elections and that was that and I have voted Conservative at local level before, most recently in 2016. My opinion on markets and liberties would put me at odds with every single socialist movement that has ever been spawned. Secondly, unless I believe the opinion to be utterly stupid (anti-vax, flat earth, fake moon landings, gay people aren't fit to be parents) I will try to see the other side and base my response on that hence my third paragraph pointing out that there is a level of mistrust in authority in that part of Leicester due to previous friction between the authorities and the people there which would act as a barrier and would be unique to that situation and me bringing up the fact that a subset of the majority ethnic group in this country are considered at high risk because of their own attitudes which would imply there is a wider societal issue at play and attributing that to ethnicities is pointless and counter productive. It's like the grooming gangs stuff; people on one side were tarring everyone who's of a certain ethnicity as being at fault and blaming PC culture as hindering the police, people on the other side were reacting to being called child rapists when they weren't, some people were too scared to side with either one lest they get mixed in with the first group and I'm trying to point out that the people involved with grooming kids were involved with higher ups in the police and local authorities hence those in charge had a stake to cover it up. A couple weeks back China was using anecdotal evidence of the behaviour of people in Alum Rock compared with other parts of Birmingham as a reason for ethnic minorities being adversely affected and I corrected him by pointing out that the most disproportionately affected ethnic groups (British Indians and British Bangladeshis) were not living in the area he was talking about so there's a huge hole in his logic.

As an aside, I'm the kind of person who is more than happy to see the likes of Enoch Powell and Nick Griffin go on television to be challenged as more often than not they come out of it with egg on their faces as happened with those two. I find you lumping me in with those involved in cancel culture a bit bizarre.

OK Borin, perhaps I read it wrong that you had labelled me and sorry about that.
The issue is simply that relatively articulate people like us can use boards like this to debate, but many aren't capable of this or utterly frustrated by the lack of what they see as freedom of speech.
However, words like racist, homophobic etc are powerful and have a million shades of grey.
For instance can it be possible not to agree with gay parenting and not be homophobic?  I would say it is. It doesn't mean you hate gays, but just don't agree that two men raising a child off a surrogate mother is great for the kid and its identity.
It gets difficult debating stuff these days as some many want to leap into a rage and give a negative label to people who feel society has moved too quickly for their views to catch up. It doesn't make them evil. They are frustrated and then show it in the polling station.