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(07-07-2019, 08:03 AM)Pneumann Wrote: (07-06-2019, 11:06 AM)bradesbaggie Wrote: (07-06-2019, 10:27 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: The break up of the U.K. is worth it for Brexit...
Really?
Has this country gone mad to follow such a person?
The UK has passed it sell-by date decades ago.
It is pathetic, looking from the outside in. Fifty years ago you could argue that the twin victorious traumas of empire and WW2 had left England with an inflated idea of its self-worth and something of a victim of static conceptions. Two generations later it really is beyond belief that the English still hold on to their idea of superiority, by jingo. Widdiicombe's anti-German diatribe is a ludicrous case in point: twelve years of madness which ended seventy-four years ago.
Unless there's more of a plan. Keep Europe weak and divided so that perfidious Albion can return to the nineteenth century glory updated, hunt foxes, have a low regulation and minimal welfare (workhouse) economy where the haves can continue to insist their luck is brought on by hard work and the have nots can be enmired in blame for their lack of industry. England's dystopian future is the inverted image of the Brexit dream. Shorn of Wales, Northern ireland, and Scotland, all that will remain will be an overcrowded, polarised, and increasingly fractious rump.
Be positive it’s going to be great and if it isn’t it’s no ones fault.
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(07-04-2019, 12:13 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: (07-04-2019, 10:37 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: (07-04-2019, 08:03 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: (07-04-2019, 07:48 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: (07-04-2019, 07:43 AM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote: “The BBC that’s afraid to publish any criticism of Brexit”. Really?
Like this article for instance? “Ffs”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47055188
On Monday 18th Feb., Honda announced that it was closing its Swindon plant with the loss of up to 3,500 British jobs, the full reasons for which would be explained later. Without waiting for that explanation, the BBC decided that the whole thing was due to Brexit despite the vice president of Honda Europe saying: “This is not a Brexit-related issue.” It’s web article even referenced Sky News, a rival organisation, to point the finger at Brexit and included a link to a story about Nissan worded “Nissan ALSO cited Brexit”
Between September 2002 and June 2015, News-watch monitored Radio 4's Today programme for 324 weeks, amounting to 1,944 editions. There were 232 hours of EU-related feature coverage, and 5,113 guest speakers contributed to the EU debate.
"174 speakers (3.4%) were identifiable advocates of withdrawal. Of this group, only five speakers (0.1% of the total EU contributors) were left-wing advocates of Brexit." Despite some four million Labour supportsvoting leave.
Newsbeat is BBC Radio 1's flagship news programme aimed at a young audience. The News-watch survey, of the ten weeks of the campaign, showed there was a failure to meet the strict 'broad balance' requirement. There were 1.5 times more Remain than Leave supporters. (Might explain why many younger people voted remain)
BBC2's Newsnight broadcast on 23 January 2013, the day David Cameron announced an in/out referendum on our membership of the EU. The BBC Trust argued that the announcement was not a 'decisive moment' in the EU debate, and therefore the imbalance of 18 pro-EU speakers to one withdrawalist was acceptable
The Institute of Economic Affairs research on the BBC’s Question Time Brexit bias has found the programme is heavily weighted towards Remain. The IEA’s research found that 69% of guests in the 18 months after the Brexit referendum had supported the Remain campaign
Between 2017 and 2019, Question Time has featured 303 Remainers and 152 Leavers, a bias of almost exactly two to one.
BBC radio’s own “Feedback” programme was inundated with complaints that The News Quiz was totally filled with panelists to “Lampoon” Brexit voters. When was the last time there was a joke against remainers heard on Mock the Week or any comedy or light entertainment programme?
This might give a little explanation:
A spokesman for BBC Media action told Express.co.uk: “In the financial year 2017-18, BBC Media Action received approximately £3.1million from the European Commission.
In 2015, the Daily Telegraph reported that BBC Media Action received £9.3million between 2011 and 2014, much of it to deliver the EU's "European Neighbourhood Policy".
According to the publication, EU officials described the sum as a "broad political strategy", designed to strengthen the "prosperity, stability and security of Europe's neighbourhood in order to avoid any dividing lines between the enlarged EU and its direct neighbours".
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/112500...rendum-spt
When was the last time you voted for the President of the EU commission or the President of the EU council? The bodies that actually decide and make EU law with MEPs only able to question them and make “suggestions”. MEPs don’t even have an input in deciding the candidates short list that they vote on for those two influential positions.
How much does LBC Radio get? 
Whilst we are on the subject of funding I’m looking forward to seeing what the publicly funded ERG research entails. Well done for conveniently ignoring all the stuff on the BBC. 
I answered the point you made about the BBC, but to add the BBC are also beholden to this dysfunctional, fucktwit government we currently have too and they seem hell bent on a dead ard Brexit, so forgive me for thinking your argument is flawed. As for LBC crikey as Chris Leptowski (spelling) said you are (very) wide of the mark.
Awaits a TV channel, whose news reports blare out the screen with air raid sirens, presenters in military attire with the slogan Taking Back Control in the background. No one under the age 0f 45 need apply for jobs with them.  Re your answer on the BBC, you simplify said that both extremes believed they were agen um. You have not addressed the evidence that they are constantly anti Brexit. If anyone’s argument is flawed it’s the one of us who ignores empirical evidence.
Still, expect you will be happier with a U.K. version of TASS or better still, PRAVDA. it’ll come sone enough in your beloved Soviet Republic of Europe. See, you are not the only one who can resort to Reductio ad Absudrum.
As for LBC, I give you James O’Brien. Who constantly rails against Brexit. He has even compared Amber Rudd to Hitler. Seems to be a common practice for lefties to smear anyone to the right of their beliefs as Nazies.
Did a bit of research...
What is BBC Media Action ?
"BBC Media Action is independent from the BBC - it is an international development charity set up by the BBC. In 2017-18 it received about £3.1m from the EU, which was just under 9% of its funding.
Its two biggest individual donors were the UK's Foreign and Commonwealth Office and Department for International Development."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Media_Action
A bit more about the BBC and external funding
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e...m-36149789
The Express wouldn't be deliberately trying to mislead would they?
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For the gullible, misinformed and deluded...
Sun lit uplands 
Oh at least Mr Mogg’s investment firm in emerging markets will do nicely out of it.
Just what is it about Brexiteers that regardless of the facts by key individuals who really know what they are talking about, they still ignore them. No better than Trump supporters who live in a post fact reality bubble. Weird or stupid it’s hard to tell anymore.
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(07-09-2019, 07:56 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: For the gullible, misinformed and deluded...
Sun lit uplands
Oh at least Mr Mogg’s investment firm in emerging markets will do nicely out of it.
Just what is it about Brexiteers that regardless of the facts by key individuals who really know what they are talking about, they still ignore them. No better than Trump supporters who live in a post fact reality bubble. Weird or stupid it’s hard to tell anymore.
Pissing in the wind
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(07-09-2019, 07:56 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: For the gullible, misinformed and deluded...
Sun lit uplands
Oh at least Mr Mogg’s investment firm in emerging markets will do nicely out of it.
Just what is it about Brexiteers that regardless of the facts by key individuals who really know what they are talking about, they still ignore them. No better than Trump supporters who live in a post fact reality bubble. Weird or stupid it’s hard to tell anymore.
I don't know which I find more revealing: the fact that neither of the two candidates to be PM wants Hammond - one of the few sentient voices on either front bench - to remain as chancellor, or that Hammond himself has no desire to continue in post under either of them.
Rees-Mogg, who increasingly sees himself as some sort of Svengali manipulating these appointments, is pushing the case for either Javid or Liz Truss. Even more concerning - if only for their sanity - are those who are actually arguing for him (JR-M) to get the job.
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07-09-2019, 02:32 PM
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The Tories have decided that it's better to be run by a bunch of disingenuous and metal fatigued incompetents than to be ruled by Labour. The policy and spending pledges of the Tory cardinal hopefuls are simply populist; their demonisatuon of the opposition likewise. Only by delegitimising others can they legitimate their own continued power.
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I love how this thread has descended into a typical echo chamber...
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(07-09-2019, 03:25 PM)boingingjim Wrote: I love how this thread has descended into a typical echo chamber...
If someone can actually argue against the points made with actual proven facts then we are all eyes / ears etc. I suspect they can’t so will remain lurking.
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