07-03-2019, 08:43 PM
John Osborne’s Knuckle
Derek Hardballs
I John Osborne’s Knuckle
Derek, you can’t stick photos on here and say “ I’ll just leave this here” then say it is not your view. Clearly there are plenty on here that took the inference you know you were making. You say you have not personally insulted or denigrated some on here but, again, I say you do. Just because you haven’t written ‘JOK you are an unintelligent, selfish racist’ or ‘Pige you’re a Nazi’, you have. Because we may have voted differently to you or hold opposing opinions you make sweeping generalisations that those that voted leave or indeed support a different political party are ‘racist’, ‘Nazis’, ‘selfish’, ‘uncaring’ and elitist. Just look at all your posts. You call us all those things by implication or association. You know you do.
As regards comparing Brexit Party MEPs with the NSDAP, it’s not just 80 year old and now defunct political parties that are Anti-Semitic is it?
And just so you can accuse me of ‘Whataboutery’, was it acceptable for Labour activists to dishonour a minutes silence for Tessa Jowell because they didn’t agree with her stand on some issues? Is a bunch of senior Labour Party front benchers attending an Anti Trump rally being very respectful of the office of the President of the United states. I would suggest not. And neither is Corbyn refusing the invitation to the state banquet.
The, not very liberal, Liberal Democrats (one of your lovely ‘centre ground’ parties) wrote an open letter stating that Trump “was not welcome”. Is that respectful of a sovereign power? But I suppose you consider some political gestures are more acceptable by who does them.
Let’s not forget that the E.U., however much some of the big wigs at the top think or wish is was, is NOT a sovereign state. It is basically a quango.
Those that took offence i will apologise to. It was not a personal dig at anyone. However I’m not going to censor what is already being discussed by thousands of people all day on other platforms. If the childish protest hadn’t occurred in a parliament building there would be nothing to compare or talk about. It was a crass thing to do.
The symbolism of the images were widely discussed and shared on social media yesterday as it was discussed at length on LBC radio and the BBC notably online. Should I have pretended they weren’t made so as not to offend others? Did the Brexit Party MEPs care about others opinions, feelings on the matter? Did the Lib Dem’s? I didn’t instigate the childish gesture that the Brexit Party made and I didn’t make the comparison, I simply shared it. After the discussion had started on this thread. As I said the language and symbolism that the Brexit party has used is a weird mix of conflicting messages and some of it harks back to war time. Why use air raid sirens and black out lighting in your rally in 2019 for example? You can’t use those types of symbols and forms of protests and then moan when they are misinterpreted.
The Lib Dem’s T-shirt’s are stupid and childish as well. That campaign slogan is cringeworthy but reflects where we are as a nation currently. Neither side came out of yesterday’s proceedings with any credit. As for Labour you’re going to have to find one post of mine where I have supported anything that a Corbyn led Labour Party has done.
One things for sure it’s going to a lot of work to bring this country back together again.
Can you hear a cock crowing near you? You’re a bit like the apostle Peter. You still deny that you share the view the inference of those two photos suggests. If I read or saw something on (anti)-social media with which I disagreed, I would not repost it. Unless of coarse you aspire to the title of biggest WUM on here.
As for siting the B.B.C and L.B.C. as justification or affirmation that a subject is Overly of interest to the majority, you couldn’t find two bigger pro E.U. organisations.
I can’t quite understand your logic on the Second World War iconography. Forgive me if I’m wrong but didn’t Britain stand up to the Nazis during that war? Perhaps reflecting a time when Britain stood against an undemocratic and bullying regime is apt for them. If you, sorry, those that posted those photos have “misinterpreted” those “symbols” then it is you (sorry again) they that have it wrong. You can’t say evoking the war time spirit and a fight for freedom and democracy in anyway suggest a pro Fascist stand.
A few points...
If you do a childish crass stunt ahem sorry protest and it has similarities to fascists in the German Reichstag whose fault is that? Were they not aware of history? I imagine it was an unfortunate coincidence but given the combative and divisive nature of the party are you surprised that their critics will use it against them? Perhaps they would have been better not taking their seats, not taking a wage and making a proper statement of intent.
My opinion of the Brexit Party particularly it’s leader is it / he is a nationalist populist. In exactly the same mould as Trump.
Do I think the party is facist? No, but I do think it has some members that are very right wing and not people I would get along with? Yes. However I wouldn’t get along with extreme left wing people either they are the flip side of the coin. Emotionally charged politics without any policies other than the obvious, driven by ideology isn’t my cup of tea.
The pictures I put up to generate debate. I knew some would go overboard but I like to listen to lots of arguments from all sides of the debate heck I’ve even listened to the Farage show on that left of centre (arf) station LBC. If you don’t listen to the opposition then you aren’t really arguing your points properly.
The Brexit Party referencing the war years is pathetic, it’s 2019, we aren’t at war, we need good relations with the E.U.
The BBC is accused of being right wing by the militant left and the reverse by the militant right. As for LBC the station has Nigel Farage, Nick Farrari. (Spelling) and Jacob Reece Mogg as presenters bastions of staying in the E.U. and left of centre ffs!
Derek Hardballs
I John Osborne’s Knuckle
Derek, you can’t stick photos on here and say “ I’ll just leave this here” then say it is not your view. Clearly there are plenty on here that took the inference you know you were making. You say you have not personally insulted or denigrated some on here but, again, I say you do. Just because you haven’t written ‘JOK you are an unintelligent, selfish racist’ or ‘Pige you’re a Nazi’, you have. Because we may have voted differently to you or hold opposing opinions you make sweeping generalisations that those that voted leave or indeed support a different political party are ‘racist’, ‘Nazis’, ‘selfish’, ‘uncaring’ and elitist. Just look at all your posts. You call us all those things by implication or association. You know you do.
As regards comparing Brexit Party MEPs with the NSDAP, it’s not just 80 year old and now defunct political parties that are Anti-Semitic is it?
And just so you can accuse me of ‘Whataboutery’, was it acceptable for Labour activists to dishonour a minutes silence for Tessa Jowell because they didn’t agree with her stand on some issues? Is a bunch of senior Labour Party front benchers attending an Anti Trump rally being very respectful of the office of the President of the United states. I would suggest not. And neither is Corbyn refusing the invitation to the state banquet.
The, not very liberal, Liberal Democrats (one of your lovely ‘centre ground’ parties) wrote an open letter stating that Trump “was not welcome”. Is that respectful of a sovereign power? But I suppose you consider some political gestures are more acceptable by who does them.
Let’s not forget that the E.U., however much some of the big wigs at the top think or wish is was, is NOT a sovereign state. It is basically a quango.
Those that took offence i will apologise to. It was not a personal dig at anyone. However I’m not going to censor what is already being discussed by thousands of people all day on other platforms. If the childish protest hadn’t occurred in a parliament building there would be nothing to compare or talk about. It was a crass thing to do.
The symbolism of the images were widely discussed and shared on social media yesterday as it was discussed at length on LBC radio and the BBC notably online. Should I have pretended they weren’t made so as not to offend others? Did the Brexit Party MEPs care about others opinions, feelings on the matter? Did the Lib Dem’s? I didn’t instigate the childish gesture that the Brexit Party made and I didn’t make the comparison, I simply shared it. After the discussion had started on this thread. As I said the language and symbolism that the Brexit party has used is a weird mix of conflicting messages and some of it harks back to war time. Why use air raid sirens and black out lighting in your rally in 2019 for example? You can’t use those types of symbols and forms of protests and then moan when they are misinterpreted.
The Lib Dem’s T-shirt’s are stupid and childish as well. That campaign slogan is cringeworthy but reflects where we are as a nation currently. Neither side came out of yesterday’s proceedings with any credit. As for Labour you’re going to have to find one post of mine where I have supported anything that a Corbyn led Labour Party has done.
One things for sure it’s going to a lot of work to bring this country back together again.
Can you hear a cock crowing near you? You’re a bit like the apostle Peter. You still deny that you share the view the inference of those two photos suggests. If I read or saw something on (anti)-social media with which I disagreed, I would not repost it. Unless of coarse you aspire to the title of biggest WUM on here.
As for siting the B.B.C and L.B.C. as justification or affirmation that a subject is Overly of interest to the majority, you couldn’t find two bigger pro E.U. organisations.
I can’t quite understand your logic on the Second World War iconography. Forgive me if I’m wrong but didn’t Britain stand up to the Nazis during that war? Perhaps reflecting a time when Britain stood against an undemocratic and bullying regime is apt for them. If you, sorry, those that posted those photos have “misinterpreted” those “symbols” then it is you (sorry again) they that have it wrong. You can’t say evoking the war time spirit and a fight for freedom and democracy in anyway suggest a pro Fascist stand.
A few points...
If you do a childish crass stunt ahem sorry protest and it has similarities to fascists in the German Reichstag whose fault is that? Were they not aware of history? I imagine it was an unfortunate coincidence but given the combative and divisive nature of the party are you surprised that their critics will use it against them? Perhaps they would have been better not taking their seats, not taking a wage and making a proper statement of intent.
My opinion of the Brexit Party particularly it’s leader is it / he is a nationalist populist. In exactly the same mould as Trump.
Do I think the party is facist? No, but I do think it has some members that are very right wing and not people I would get along with? Yes. However I wouldn’t get along with extreme left wing people either they are the flip side of the coin. Emotionally charged politics without any policies other than the obvious, driven by ideology isn’t my cup of tea.
The pictures I put up to generate debate. I knew some would go overboard but I like to listen to lots of arguments from all sides of the debate heck I’ve even listened to the Farage show on that left of centre (arf) station LBC. If you don’t listen to the opposition then you aren’t really arguing your points properly.
The Brexit Party referencing the war years is pathetic, it’s 2019, we aren’t at war, we need good relations with the E.U.
The BBC is accused of being right wing by the militant left and the reverse by the militant right. As for LBC the station has Nigel Farage, Nick Farrari. (Spelling) and Jacob Reece Mogg as presenters bastions of staying in the E.U. and left of centre ffs!