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The Americans arrive: appoint someone with very little experience of English football who goes on to become omnipotent club president. The football man at WBA, Mark Miles, is eased out. In come some unknown tech millionaires again with zero experience of English football. Spivs or experts?
During the tenure of the President Nestor, who talks a good game, we appoint a complete dud in the dreadful Uncle Tony. He then goes on to appoint the unproven, untried Ryan Mason, who no doubt came relatively cheap and is unlikely to rock the boat. Recent form is chequered to say the least.
Again during the tenure of the President we sell to anyone who comes knocking generally at prices lower than anticipated. We understand that this has to happen for sustainability rules but there seems to be no upside to our negotiations. The sale of Palmer for just 2m in January was mystifying and continues to hurt us. Heggem is sold for a windfall amount but the owners can't wait to get our prize asset winger out of the door to harvest more cash. In Nestor's recent interview he reported that he actually met with young Tom in January to explain they wanted to sell him. What message does this say to the player, his agent and his family? No wonder his head dropped in the second half of the season, although Tony's mishandling of him didn't help.
The owners clearly have stated their wish to find gems in the sand and sell on at a profit. Perhaps this was the motive with the Ryan appointment? We seem now seem devoid of ambition on the playing field. Are we also in the boardroom?
Returning to the title of the thread is it possible that they are not competent in doing this or could it be they have no real desire to see us promoted and are here to fatten the cow for other than the club's benefit? I obviously have no concrete evidence for either scenario and am merely playing devil's advocate as I hold no opinion ether way.
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They are ambitious, they have their hands tied by PSR. I see no circumstances which would see them happy to stay in the league. Getting promoted is their interests, financially, and obviously the clubs interest.
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Immediate thoughts are we’d be completely fucked as a football club if they hadn’t arrived, they’ve made some costly mistakes AND done a lot of good stuff too. Time will tell but I’m glad they are here.
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If Nestor becomes head coach and buys a cortina then I’ll start to worry.
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(09-20-2025, 10:41 AM)Sheffieldbaggie Wrote: Playing...
The Americans arrive: appoint someone with very little experience of English football who goes on to become omnipotent club president. The football man at WBA, Mark Miles, is eased out. In come some unknown tech millionaires again with zero experience of English football. Spivs or experts?
During the tenure of the President Nestor, who talks a good game, we appoint a complete dud in the dreadful Uncle Tony. He then goes on to appoint the unproven, untried Ryan Mason, who no doubt came relatively cheap and is unlikely to rock the boat. Recent form is chequered to say the least.
Again during the tenure of the President we sell to anyone who comes knocking generally at prices lower than anticipated. We understand that this has to happen for sustainability rules but there seems to be no upside to our negotiations. The sale of Palmer for just 2m in January was mystifying and continues to hurt us. Heggem is sold for a windfall amount but the owners can't wait to get our prize asset winger out of the door to harvest more cash. In Nestor's recent interview he reported that he actually met with young Tom in January to explain they wanted to sell him. What message does this say to the player, his agent and his family? No wonder his head dropped in the second half of the season, although Tony's mishandling of him didn't help.
The owners clearly have stated their wish to find gems in the sand and sell on at a profit. Perhaps this was the motive with the Ryan appointment? We seem now seem devoid of ambition on the playing field. Are we also in the boardroom?
Returning to the title of the thread is it possible that they are not competent in doing this or could it be they have no real desire to see us promoted and are here to fatten the cow for other than the club's benefit? I obviously have no concrete evidence for either scenario and am merely playing devil's advocate as I hold no opinion ether way.
An interesting take on the current situation.
Giving TM a bit more credit here as in hindsight this affected Fellows who was obviously very settled after being here for so long. He took him out of the team to get his head straight.
January will be key for me. I can see a couple of younger players being brought in and then in the summer Price being sold to cover costs.
What really does concern me about the recruitment is that it has been so lopsided towards defence. Did we really need Mepham and Bielik?
Our lack of pace up front worries me. Look at the kid that scored for QPR against Wrexham lightning quick. The way we seem to be set up to play needs this.
I can see Phillips going to a just promoted, relegated team at the end of the season too.
Mason is learning the ropes and it’s obvious he is struggling with substitutions. Patience is key at the moment and we need to hang around the top ten.
It will be interesting to see how this season pans out
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Patience is a virtue
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In 2014 Bologna were sold to a consortium headed by an American defence lawyer and a bloke who owned a Canadian football team. Despite their lack of knowledge of the Italian game the club has gone from strength to strength.
Patel and Nestor are part of that success story and both will have gained invaluable knowledge of how a football club works, especially in improving that football club. I expect this process can be transferred successfully to any other club in any other country, regardless, not withstanding the fact that every club in every country is also trying to implement a successful process.
All football clubs, indeed any businesses at all, have to be solvent in order to continue operating. If the owners don't have the option of throwing money at it to cover losses, then the club itself has to generate more income that its expenditure. It has been common knowledge for a while and posters on this bored have been rattling on about how selling Fellows was a certainty.
I'm sure Patel and Nestor dropped by on this bored and took extensive notes on what the financial experts were saying.
Nestor also said, in his interview, that the sale price for Fellows was the highest offer we had had for him. As no one else was interested (it seems) and there had to be a sale of a player in the transfer window just passed in order to finance those we had bought in (with the sale of a home grown player being the best option under the PSR rules) then our hands were pretty much tied. None of us know how the negotiations went. What was asked for and what was refused. So I wouldn't haul Nestor et al over the coals on that one just yet.
We are where we are at the moment, and I'm happy to think that everything Patel and Nestor are doing is with the aim of advancing the club., both financially but, more importantly, football-wise.
Perhaps when we're worth £200m he might consider selling to some Chinese no-hopers.
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(09-20-2025, 11:02 AM)Jack Halford Wrote: (09-20-2025, 10:41 AM)Sheffieldbaggie Wrote: Playing...
The Americans arrive: appoint someone with very little experience of English football who goes on to become omnipotent club president. The football man at WBA, Mark Miles, is eased out. In come some unknown tech millionaires again with zero experience of English football. Spivs or experts?
During the tenure of the President Nestor, who talks a good game, we appoint a complete dud in the dreadful Uncle Tony. He then goes on to appoint the unproven, untried Ryan Mason, who no doubt came relatively cheap and is unlikely to rock the boat. Recent form is chequered to say the least.
Again during the tenure of the President we sell to anyone who comes knocking generally at prices lower than anticipated. We understand that this has to happen for sustainability rules but there seems to be no upside to our negotiations. The sale of Palmer for just 2m in January was mystifying and continues to hurt us. Heggem is sold for a windfall amount but the owners can't wait to get our prize asset winger out of the door to harvest more cash. In Nestor's recent interview he reported that he actually met with young Tom in January to explain they wanted to sell him. What message does this say to the player, his agent and his family? No wonder his head dropped in the second half of the season, although Tony's mishandling of him didn't help.
The owners clearly have stated their wish to find gems in the sand and sell on at a profit. Perhaps this was the motive with the Ryan appointment? We seem now seem devoid of ambition on the playing field. Are we also in the boardroom?
Returning to the title of the thread is it possible that they are not competent in doing this or could it be they have no real desire to see us promoted and are here to fatten the cow for other than the club's benefit? I obviously have no concrete evidence for either scenario and am merely playing devil's advocate as I hold no opinion ether way.
An interesting take on the current situation.
Giving TM a bit more credit here as in hindsight this affected Fellows who was obviously very settled after being here for so long. He took him out of the team to get his head straight.
January will be key for me. I can see a couple of younger players being brought in and then in the summer Price being sold to cover costs.
What really does concern me about the recruitment is that it has been so lopsided towards defence. Did we really need Mepham and Bielik?
Our lack of pace up front worries me. Look at the kid that scored for QPR against Wrexham lightning quick. The way we seem to be set up to play needs this.
I can see Phillips going to a just promoted, relegated team at the end of the season too.
Mason is learning the ropes and it’s obvious he is struggling with substitutions. Patience is key at the moment and we need to hang around the top ten.
It will be interesting to see how this season pans out
Why are you giving Mowbray credit for something you've just made up? Mowbray deserves zero credit as the man in the moon could have got that team to the playoffs last seaosn.
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I'm can't see why any devil's advocacy is needed, it just seems like an attempt at sowing uncertainty and discontent for the sake of it. Simple question - how does failing to get promoted "fatten the cow"?
I've got absolutely no concerns about the motives of Shilen and the rest of the Board, so let's get behind them and see what everyone can do working together.
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People need to realise just how precarious a state we were in before the takeover, of course it is going to take time.
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