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#1
Would you say you put more value or less value on a University degree for your kids, than people did when you were that age?

Personally, and I say this with the bias of not having two academically gifted kids, I see Uni as a bit of a waste of money these days...
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#2
I went to uni not too long ago, I do think it's a bit of a waste. Great time, a good growing up experience, but in terms of the necessity to go for a career, I don't think it is apart from the obvious jobs that require is (medicine, lawyers etc etc)
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#3
Depends what they want to do and if a degree is required. If not, then no.

And I can’t see the point of a degree in say, art, other than spending 3 years fucking around.
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#4
I think trademarking your own kids is a bit unusual.
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(03-11-2024, 01:51 PM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: Would you say you put more value or less value on a University degree for your kids, than people did when you were that age?

Personally, and I say this with the bias of not having two academically gifted kids, I see Uni as a bit of a waste of money these days...

My daughter is doing GCSE's this year and is forecast to do well. She has no desire whatsoever, however, to go to Uni and I am fully supportive of that as I agree it's a bit of a waste of time unless they know exactly what they want to do and a pathway towards that.
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#6
If your kid is academically gifted but wants to do a technical subject (engineering, computer science) then I'd strongly recommend a degree apprenticeship at did point. Less "debt" translating to less tax paid (especially pertinent with the recent changes to the student loan repayment timeframe to 40 years from 30 years), getting a salary, a full degree qualification and experience to put on your CV.

Plenty of good universities do them, including Russell Groups. Certainly something I'd be pushing over just a regular degree, you get the same qualification at the end of the day as someone who just did the same course at the same uni with no apprenticeship.
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#7
(03-11-2024, 01:58 PM)baggiebloke Wrote: I think trademarking your own kids is a bit unusual.

It's their intellectual properties I'm concerned about.

(03-11-2024, 02:02 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: If your kid is academically gifted but wants to do a technical subject (engineering, computer science) then I'd strongly recommend a degree apprenticeship at did point. Less "debt" translating to less tax paid (especially pertinent with the recent changes to the student loan repayment timeframe to 40 years from 30 years), getting a salary, a full degree qualification and experience to put on your CV.

Plenty of good universities do them, including Russell Groups. Certainly something I'd be pushing over just a regular degree, you get the same qualification at the end of the day as someone who just did the same course at the same uni with no apprenticeship.

Got to admit I had no idea these existed (at scale at least) despite them making obvious sense.
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#8
I think there is a narrative being pushed over the last few years by elements of the press, education and government that bright kids from working and lower middle class families should be encouraged to go down the apprenticeship route rather than do a traditional university degree. Personally I think a degree should be about the enjoyment of learning, life experience and a career. It feels too much like social engineering to me, the posh kids can do a course in something they love like drama, classics or archeology but Jack from Bolton can go and do a sandwich course in engineering even if he really wants to be an actor.

Look at the state of those Covid ads when the ballet dancer should apparently forget about her talent and career and go and work in cyber security instead.

There is nothing wrong with apprenticeship or sandwich courses but the move towards the gentrification of university courses again so only only the well off become actors, academics or artists seems to be creeping back in to the expectations for the next generation.
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#9
I am set to clear my student debt this year. Kids now will more than likely spend their entire working life paying off the equivalent debts, some may not at all. It's a must have for certain career paths, but is becoming less of a viable option for many. Media based jobs I see advertised or we advertise for still want degree level qualifications, but they also want to pay fuck all (relatively) for experienced, educated and talented young people who end up in a catch 22. I'd definitely reconsider not going if I were 18 again now.
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#10
(03-11-2024, 02:06 PM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote:
(03-11-2024, 01:58 PM)baggiebloke Wrote: I think trademarking your own kids is a bit unusual.

It's their intellectual properties I'm concerned about.

(03-11-2024, 02:02 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: If your kid is academically gifted but wants to do a technical subject (engineering, computer science) then I'd strongly recommend a degree apprenticeship at did point. Less "debt" translating to less tax paid (especially pertinent with the recent changes to the student loan repayment timeframe to 40 years from 30 years), getting a salary, a full degree qualification and experience to put on your CV.

Plenty of good universities do them, including Russell Groups. Certainly something I'd be pushing over just a regular degree, you get the same qualification at the end of the day as someone who just did the same course at the same uni with no apprenticeship.

Got to admit I had no idea these existed (at scale at least) despite them making obvious sense.

Most people don't, they're not really advertised so you need to go looking and they're often called weird things.

This is basically a BEng in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Warwick with some mechatronics and electrical elective courses - but it's called "Electromechanical Engineering". If you're an 18 year old that wants to do a degree in mechanical engineering would you look for that course?
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