Just in case you missed it

[Borin' Baggie]

There's a simple solution to Red Tape. You get rid of it. It's just a pity we don't have government seemingly interested in reducing pointless regulation.

Nice to see Proth advocating for rejoining the EU

Can you explain why the UK government HAD TO make it more difficult to import agricultural products (or any other products for that matter) due to Brexit?

Because when you leave the customs union and single market you lose access to the mutual recognition and streamlined processes enabled by working to common standards and within the unified frameworks.

You cannot unilaterally will those processes into place, you need to engage all sides. That's the whole reason for trade agreements and it's why Thatcher pursued creating the Single Market.

[hudds]

There's a simple solution to Red Tape. You get rid of it. It's just a pity we don't have government seemingly interested in reducing pointless regulation.

Nice to see Proth advocating for rejoining the EU

Can you explain why the UK government HAD TO make it more difficult to import agricultural products (or any other products for that matter) due to Brexit?

Because when you leave the customs union and single market you lose access to the mutual recognition and streamlined processes enabled by working to common standards and within the unified frameworks.

You cannot unilaterally will those processes into place, you need to engage all sides. That's the whole reason for trade agreements and it's why Thatcher pursued creating the Single Market.

Proth wants his cake and eat it.   It was self-delusion.  The red tape is what the UK walked into.  We leave the club in what was petulance and still want free access without the subs or playing by the rules.  We are exceptional though, so ought to have it all our own way and just like that fat fraud Johnson said was possible.

The movement system is appalling for smaller businesses and for excise goods an absolute nightmare.  Imports and exports. I have clients being stung for £millions on alcohol by HMRC for an error in import declaration and overlooking having to "re-fit" the movement to the UK duty suspension system.  Before we left the EU, no problem.  Since - fuggin Nora!!  Goods seized, assessments raised, massive civil penalties liable absolutely and businesses worried sick they will go bust for admin/procedural errors under sovereign law enforced fanatically by HMRC.

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Just in from one UK Warehousing Association (UKWA)

"Department for Business and Trade seeks views from UKWA members concerning export issues

Senior officials from The Department for Business and Trade have met with UKWA with a view to understanding more about the challenges members face with exporting goods.

They are particularly interested in any case studies/examples where current processes and procedures are resulting in extra burden on business. One example sighted as a significant problem relates to alcohol samples which are exported from the UK for use at trade shows and exhibitions throughout Europe.

This particular issue is believed to be a result of a combination of factors including a reluctance from UK logistics businesses to get involved in the transport of controlled goods because of the extra bureaucracy since the UK left the European Union and the complexities of importing goods into other countries, not necessarily exporting them from the UK. "

This was discussed at the last high-level joint HMRC/industry meeting I attended a few months ago. It's Brexit, ay it, as the Dept for Bis and trade ought to know or will soon find out - eh, Kemi?

[Protheroe]

No, it's a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold that it's an unnecessary act of self harm deciding to make importing agricultural goods from the EU more difficult post Brexit.

Make no mistake, the government chose to take this route and it's one of the myriad of reasons it's no longer fit for purpose. Remember I voted for Singapore on Thames.

[Derek Hardballs]

Ah the old it would have worked if they had done it my way argument again.

[hudds]

No, it's a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold that it's an unnecessary act of self harm deciding to make importing agricultural goods from the EU more difficult post Brexit.

Make no mistake, the government chose to take this route and it's one of the myriad of reasons it's no longer fit for purpose. Remember I voted for Singapore on Thames.

"Can you explain why the UK government HAD TO make it more difficult to import agricultural products (or any other products for that matter) due to Brexit?

Are you wilfully ignoring why?

[Protheroe]

No, it's a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold that it's an unnecessary act of self harm deciding to make importing agricultural goods from the EU more difficult post Brexit.

Make no mistake, the government chose to take this route and it's one of the myriad of reasons it's no longer fit for purpose. Remember I voted for Singapore on Thames.

"Can you explain why the UK government HAD TO make it more difficult to import agricultural products (or any other products for that matter) due to Brexit?

Are you wilfully ignoring why?

There are many reasons why certain other products will need to be checked for safety, conformity, origin and certification, there are others where that is not a problem at all. It's not like there aren't issues within the EU - even with agricultural products. It's a question of balance. As it is the current balance is incorrect.

[Derek Hardballs]

No, it's a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold that it's an unnecessary act of self harm deciding to make importing agricultural goods from the EU more difficult post Brexit.

Make no mistake, the government chose to take this route and it's one of the myriad of reasons it's no longer fit for purpose. Remember I voted for Singapore on Thames.

"Can you explain why the UK government HAD TO make it more difficult to import agricultural products (or any other products for that matter) due to Brexit?

Are you wilfully ignoring why?

There are many reasons why certain other products will need to be checked for safety, conformity, origin and certification, there are others where that is not a problem at all. It's not like there aren't issues within the EU - even with agricultural products. It's a question of balance. As it is the current balance is incorrect.

It’s a question of reality against playing Fantasy Politics

[Protheroe]

The reality is we don't have a political class capable of thinking outside a narrow straitjacket. The period since Brexit proves that for good.

[hudds]

The reality is we don't have a political class capable of thinking outside a narrow straitjacket. The period since Brexit proves that for good.

Hello clouds!  Hello sky!!

If only everybody could see the world through my eyes!

[Pontificator]

The reality is we don't have a political class capable of thinking outside a narrow straitjacket. The period since Brexit proves that for good.

Says the guy in the narrow classical liberal straightjacket; not a Tory, never been one; in it for least worst - (that went well.) A complete and utter political failure.