Generational politics… well done Millennials

[Derek Hardballs]

The dinosaurs although very successful also died out, just an observation to those Conservative types.

[Borin' Baggie]

No shit.

When you're a higher rate taxpayer and you have it harder than anyone your age since Queen Victoria was alive to buy a house, not to mention once you get over that you're burdened with stupid childcare costs with zero support, and you're more likely to have a taxation penalty (student loans, Plan 1, Plan 2 and Postgrad) than older peers why the hell would you vote Tory?

[Protheroe]

No shit.

When you're a higher rate taxpayer and you have it harder than anyone your age since Queen Victoria was alive to buy a house, not to mention once you get over that you're burdened with stupid childcare costs with zero support, and you're more likely to have a taxation penalty (student loans, Plan 1, Plan 2 and Postgrad) than older peers why the hell would you vote Tory?

This. There's plenty more you missed too.

The problem is, I've heard nothing from the only other party capable of forming a majority that would make things any easier.

[baggy1]

Here’s the problem Proth, because your lot have fucked the country over there isn’t a lot that Labour can do. The one thing that will be a massive step forward is to stop thinking about how they can benefit themselves and also they can try and repair this countries infrastucture. It’s small steps but having a party that don’t lie so fucking blatently and then double down on those lies will be an improvement.

The next big thing that can be done is for Brexit to start to be undone and get us back into the single market to allow for some form of growth.

[Sliced]

Here’s the problem Proth, because your lot have fucked the country over there isn’t a lot that Labour can do. The one thing that will be a massive step forward is to stop thinking about how they can benefit themselves and also they can try and repair this countries infrastucture. It’s small steps but having a party that don’t lie so fucking blatently and then double down on those lies will be an improvement.

The next big thing that can be done is for Brexit to start to be undone and get us back into the single market to allow for some form of growth.

Absolutely. I'm not a massive fan of either party but if there are two who look like they might struggle to fix everything, you go for the one that didn't fuck up everything in the first place.

As you've said, the single market would be an instant boost, but we're too stubborn.

[Protheroe]

The next big thing that can be done is for Brexit to start to be undone and get us back into the single market to allow for some form of growth.

That's simply not going to happen and your energy would be far better focused elsewhere.

If you compare GDP growth since 2016 (US 12.9%, France 7.6%, UK 6.8%, Spain 5.9%, Germany 5.5% & Japan 0.2%) there's no unmitigated disaster. The shape of our future is very much a work in progress which might have been hampered by a couple of minor things - pandemic and war, and hasn't been helped along by a government so sorely lacking in talent and market centered policymaking.

The Retained EU Law Bill under which we can examine then amend or reject EU laws is still passing through Parliament. The potential gains from regulatory reform have not even begun - though I worry if Labour (and many Tories) have any appetite to alter any or the imagination to replace them with anything that would contribute to growth.

[Fido]

The next big thing that can be done is for Brexit to start to be undone and get us back into the single market to allow for some form of growth.

That's simply not going to happen and your energy would be far better focused elsewhere.

If you compare GDP growth since 2016 (US 12.9%, France 7.6%, UK 6.8%, Spain 5.9%, Germany 5.5% & Japan 0.2%) there's no unmitigated disaster. The shape of our future is very much a work in progress which might have been hampered by a couple of minor things - pandemic and war, and hasn't been helped along by a government so sorely lacking in talent and market centered policymaking.

The Retained EU Law Bill under which we can examine then amend or reject EU laws is still passing through Parliament. The potential gains from regulatory reform have not even begun - though I worry if Labour (and many Tories) have any appetite to alter any or the imagination to replace them with anything that would contribute to growth.

And that's where politicians for decades have been cosseted to a certain extent as they always had that umbrella government sitting above them so they've not really had to make many bold, key decisions. Would be nice to see just one or two real visionaries to take advantage of a freer rein but at the moment we have fear driving most political direction.

[Derek Hardballs]

The only ideas I hear / read about growth from those who advocates Brexit (shooting ourselves in the foot)  are the erosion of protections for workers, deregulation of the banking and building sector, dodgy ‘Freeport’s’ and ‘enterprise zones’ and further erosion of the state. None of these are better for the vast majority of the people. They don’t help reduce crime, they don’t help peoples health, they don’t protect people from worker exploitation, they don’t offer secure, decent jobs or protect from economic boom and bust. If anything they exasperate these problems.

If you want growth then join the free market again, but that would mean people admitting they were wrong so instead we continue to ignore the elephant in the room whilst some try to pretend that the only way for the U.K. to be a success is to reduce workers rights, let banks do what they like, let developers do what they like and for the charities to pick up the pieces that the state has left behind.

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The next big thing that can be done is for Brexit to start to be undone and get us back into the single market to allow for some form of growth.

That's simply not going to happen and your energy would be far better focused elsewhere.

If you compare GDP growth since 2016 (US 12.9%, France 7.6%, UK 6.8%, Spain 5.9%, Germany 5.5% & Japan 0.2%) there's no unmitigated disaster. The shape of our future is very much a work in progress which might have been hampered by a couple of minor things - pandemic and war, and hasn't been helped along by a government so sorely lacking in talent and market centered policymaking.

The Retained EU Law Bill under which we can examine then amend or reject EU laws is still passing through Parliament. The potential gains from regulatory reform have not even begun - though I worry if Labour (and many Tories) have any appetite to alter any or the imagination to replace them with anything that would contribute to growth.

And that's where politicians for decades have been cosseted to a certain extent as they always had that umbrella government sitting above them so they've not really had to make many bold, key decisions. Would be nice to see just one or two real visionaries to take advantage of a freer rein but at the moment we have fear driving most political direction.

Oh you’re looking for a Brexit benefit… good luck

Going back to the opening post, I think their is a general move away by younger generations from conservatism with a small and big C. Who can blame them? They are continually attacked by Tories for their ‘woke, snow flake, cancel culture, scoffed at for their wish for a greener environment, had their rights to be part of the EU taken from them, told that workers rights are a thing of the past, experienced at least a third of their life under austerity, seen mainstream media regurgitate and support blatant lies, cronyism and bad behaviour from government, the police etc and are now told that they should expect more of the same but perhaps even worse! Talk about a party / ideology idly taking a generation for granted. I said a couple of years ago that wedge politics that this government has majored on, is the death rattle of a discredited, greedy and selfish way of life that is unsustainable and I hope that the new generations coming through reject mine and older generations way of life for something better.

[Protheroe]

And that's where politicians for decades have been cosseted to a certain extent as they always had that umbrella government sitting above them so they've not really had to make many bold, key decisions. Would be nice to see just one or two real visionaries to take advantage of a freer rein but at the moment we have fear driving most political direction.

Managerialism took over radicalism in politics back in the 1990s. Most MPs are in politics for a career, rather to actually change anything.

[Bromley Baggie 2]

The personalities of Conservatism, aren't exactly appealing either. Donald Trump, Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boebert, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Suella Braverman, Priti Patel and numerous others on the right of the political spectrum, on both sides of the Atlantic, are either hateful, thick as mince or both.