Starmer's Bane

[Protheroe]

Big issue for Starmer now will be cutting through until the Tory Leadership contest is decided.

That's a long time to be broadly irrelevant.

[Ted Maul]

He's got no ones opinions to copy either, that'll fuck him.

[Spandaubaggie]

Big issue for Starmer now will be cutting through until the Tory Leadership contest is decided.

That's a long time to be broadly irrelevant.

As our dyed in the wool Tory chap, who do you want Proth?

[Derek Hardballs]

Big issue for Starmer now will be cutting through until the Tory Leadership contest is decided.

That's a long time to be broadly irrelevant.

As our dyed in the wool Tory chap, who do you want Proth?

Suella Braverman…

[Shabby Russian]

Starmers big issue is that his key strategy is that he is neither Johnson or Corbyn. 

A strategy which now seems a tad anachronistic. 

His other problem is , that, without having to think too hard I can think of at least 3 current Labour MPs who would be better leaders of the Labour Party.

And of course at least one who is not currently a sitting MP.

[Spandaubaggie]

Starmers big issue is that his key strategy is that he is neither Johnson or Corbyn. 

A strategy which now seems a tad anachronistic. 

His other problem is , that, without having to think too hard I can think of at least 3 current Labour MPs who would be better leaders of the Labour Party.

And of course at least one who is not currently a sitting MP.

I think Starmer is a decent bloke but Labour are still a mess of a party that has lurched to the left. Starmer would have made a good PM in the New Labour era. The party has a job getting back to that middle ground. Currently it's still too obsessed with micro-issues.

Politics is a mess and a sensible Tory leader to lead the country seems the best option at the moment. I really don't know who that is though.

[Derek Hardballs]

Starmers big issue is that his key strategy is that he is neither Johnson or Corbyn. 

A strategy which now seems a tad anachronistic. 

His other problem is , that, without having to think too hard I can think of at least 3 current Labour MPs who would be better leaders of the Labour Party.

And of course at least one who is not currently a sitting MP.

I think Starmer is a decent bloke but Labour are still a mess of a party that has lurched to the left. Starmer would have made a good PM in the New Labour era. The party has a job getting back to that middle ground. Currently it's still too obsessed with micro-issues.

Politics is a mess and a sensible Tory leader to lead the country seems the best option at the moment. I really don't know who that is though.

We have had twelve years of chaos and three ousted PMs and you’re still hankering after a ‘sensible Tory’!?!? Spandau that is the definition of madness. 

The Labour front bench isn’t a mess it’s far better than the sycophantic Tory front sorry former from bench. If you’re arguing Priti Patel, Dorries, Raab, Gove, Braverman, Cleverly, Eustace, Schapps etc are preferable then I think you’re not paying attention.

Thia isn’t a ‘normal’ Conservative group of MOs it has more in common with UKIP than the centre right of politics.

[Spandaubaggie]

Starmers big issue is that his key strategy is that he is neither Johnson or Corbyn. 

A strategy which now seems a tad anachronistic. 

His other problem is , that, without having to think too hard I can think of at least 3 current Labour MPs who would be better leaders of the Labour Party.

And of course at least one who is not currently a sitting MP.

I think Starmer is a decent bloke but Labour are still a mess of a party that has lurched to the left. Starmer would have made a good PM in the New Labour era. The party has a job getting back to that middle ground. Currently it's still too obsessed with micro-issues.

Politics is a mess and a sensible Tory leader to lead the country seems the best option at the moment. I really don't know who that is though.

We have had twelve years of chaos and three ousted PMs and you’re still hankering after a ‘sensible Tory’!?!? Spandau that is the definition of madness. 

The Labour front bench isn’t a mess it’s far better than the sycophantic Tory front sorry former from bench. If you’re arguing Priti Patel, Dorries, Raab, Gove, Braverman, Cleverly, Eustace, Schapps etc are preferable then I think you’re not paying attention.

Thia isn’t a ‘normal’ Conservative group of MOs it has more in common with UKIP than the centre right of politics.

You could well be right Derek. I know all my contacts over In Ireland despise them.

[Protheroe]

Big issue for Starmer now will be cutting through until the Tory Leadership contest is decided.

That's a long time to be broadly irrelevant.

As our dyed in the wool Tory chap, who do you want Proth?

Personally I'd love Steve Baker for the lolz on here and the unadulterated supply side revolution we so desperately need. The Civil Service would hate him, corporations dependent on corporate welfare would hate him, the NHS would hate him, farmers would hate him, the EU would hate him and throughout he'd be his usual polite reasonable well argued self which would boil the piss of virtually everyone else. So that won't happen.

In order for me to really consider returning to the fold we need a break with those who've held the great offices of state with Johnson and are tarnished by that. 

One of the most quietly effective Parliamentary performers over the last few years is Penny Mordaunt. It's a mark of Johnson's incompetence that she, and Kemi Badenoch (the leader after next IMO) have been serially under-utilised. If Mordaunt made the final two and I had a vote, that's where it would go.

[Derek Hardballs]

Big issue for Starmer now will be cutting through until the Tory Leadership contest is decided.

That's a long time to be broadly irrelevant.

As our dyed in the wool Tory chap, who do you want Proth?

Personally I'd love Steve Baker for the lolz on here and the unadulterated supply side revolution we so desperately need. The Civil Service would hate him, corporations dependent on corporate welfare would hate him, the NHS would hate him, farmers would hate him, the EU would hate him and throughout he'd be his usual polite reasonable well argued self which would boil the piss of virtually everyone else. So that won't happen.

In order for me to really consider returning to the fold we need a break with those who've held the great offices of state with Johnson and are tarnished by that. 

One of the most quietly effective Parliamentary performers over the last few years is Penny Mordaunt. It's a mark of Johnson's incompetence that she, and Kemi Badenoch (the leader after next IMO) have been serially under-utilised. If Mordaunt made the final two and I had a vote, that's where it would go.

So you admit Steve Baker would throw the most vulnerable unless they could pay under the big red bullshit bus and hope but not really care if charity tried to pick up the pieces. He’s a mirror to your own politics that’s why you like him. I doubt his pick and mix approach to his hypocritical pious Christian values and dog eat dog Libertarianism will be a great vote winner outside of a few hard right loons in your party.