society has "just accepted" dead women as "one of those things".

[Fulham Fallout]

Discuss.

[Squid]

That quote is from Jess Phillips after she read out the list of women killed in the UK in the past year.

It took her over four minutes to read out all the names. Women from all walks of life, all cultures, all who died a brutal death.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-56365827

[Spandaubaggie]

Murders are rare and they affect men and women. This girl’s death has made the news as it’s so so rare. I’d say there’s more murders of men by a long way but that’s probably crime related. Such sad deaths happen but are as a percentage of the population utterly minuscule. You’re never going to wipe out all crime.
Perhaps she should go to Honduras and then give her head a wobble.
Just looked up ONS 11.4 murders per million. Therefore a 1 in 100 thousand.
News has to be put in perspective.

[Baggy Bruin]

I've definitely accepted dead women.

And dead men.

Without them, I have the horrible feeling the world would soon become very overcrowded.

[Fulham Fallout]

If society accepts dead women, then they wouldn’t make news headlines.

[Juan Quidonqui]

Completely ridiculous to say society just accepts dead women as one of those things. Society accepts that unfortunately murders will happen. Always have and always will.
To try and make out that nobody cares that women get murdered is utter bollocks.
When you consider that the population is split equally between men and women and last year roughly 3/4 of the victims of murder were men, in theory you could make an argument for men being under protected.
Perhaps we should start a campaign to persuade anyone thinking of committing murder to focus more on women just so we can ensure the quotas are more representative. And before anyone accuses me of promoting violence against women - no, that wasn’t a serious suggestion, but it’s about as ridiculous as Jess Phillips claim that we all just accept dead women as one of those things.

[Baggie_Nick]

Completely ridiculous to say society just accepts dead women as one of those things. Society accepts that unfortunately murders will happen. Always have and always will.
To try and make out that nobody cares that women get murdered is utter bollocks.
When you consider that the population is split equally between men and women and last year roughly 3/4 of the victims of murder were men, in theory you could make an argument for men being under protected.
Perhaps we should start a campaign to persuade anyone thinking of committing murder to focus more on women just so we can ensure the quotas are more representative. And before anyone accuses me of promoting violence against women - no, that wasn’t a serious suggestion, but it’s about as ridiculous as Jess Phillips claim that we all just accept dead women as one of those things.

Denis Nilsen wants a word.

We'll obviously he can't but you get what I mean.

Women are under threat and so are men.

[Baggiejacko]

In my opinion the feeble punishments handed out in court are part of the problem. A person can be caught using a knife to threaten and endanger life and receive a fine. Coppers are used as punchbags regularly and offenders are again fined. Traffic offences are dealt with more harshly than criminal ones at times.

[Bortolazzi's Barnet]

Of course this isn't the case, which is why Sarah's death has received such coverage. It is a typical brainless claim.

It will never be 'just accepted' and nor should it ever come close to that.

Just out of interest, how long would it take to read out the names of all the males who have committed suicide since last IWD?

[Squid]

Completely ridiculous to say society just accepts dead women as one of those things. Society accepts that unfortunately murders will happen. Always have and always will.
To try and make out that nobody cares that women get murdered is utter bollocks.
When you consider that the population is split equally between men and women and last year roughly 3/4 of the victims of murder were men, in theory you could make an argument for men being under protected.
Perhaps we should start a campaign to persuade anyone thinking of committing murder to focus more on women just so we can ensure the quotas are more representative. And before anyone accuses me of promoting violence against women - no, that wasn’t a serious suggestion, but it’s about as ridiculous as Jess Phillips claim that we all just accept dead women as one of those things.

Of course this isn't the case, which is why Sarah's death has received such coverage. It is a typical brainless claim.

It will never be 'just accepted' and nor should it ever come close to that.
Just out of interest, how long would it take to read out the names of all the males who have committed suicide since last IWD?

Except it's acknowledged that suicide in men is a massive problem.

There are many high profile campaigns talking about it (like this https://www.projecteightyfour.com/)

All four UK nations have a suicide prevention strategy.

England has a Minister for Suicide Prevention.

There are all the Time to Talk about Mental Health campaigns, which are largely aimed at men.

As for men murdering other men, again there is a big government strategy for preventing violent crime, mainly aimed at knife crime. They even increased the minimum tariff for murder with a bladed article from 15 years to 25 to act as a deterrent/increased punishment. Most police patrols are in city centres at night, largely to stop alcohol-fuelled men (and occasionally women) fighting with each other.

So the deaths of men are clearly not accepted. If you went on the likes of Mumsnet or Netmums or similar to talk about male suicide during an awareness campaign you would find women on there talking about the brothers, fathers and saddest of all, sons that they lost due to suicide. Some of the biggest campaigners against knife crime are bereaved mothers. 


In the UK, three women a week are killed by men. Usually a partner or their ex-partner. And the response to it is exactly as described above:
"Murder is a fact of life"
"What about the men"
"Other countries are worse".

It's as if women are some ungrateful sub-species as opposed to the people you love as mothers, wives, sisters, daughters and friends.  We don't accept other forms of violent death, as I've described above we actively campaign and legislate against them.

If there was one thing I would recommend anyone reading this do, it's read the Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker. He's not some weird soppy bloke, he's security expert and there is some brilliant advice about recognising abusive people that you can bring your daughters up to know and explains a lot about some of the issues women face.