That "Level Playing Field"
#1
I assume we can safely agree that it's now off the agenda for the Brexit negotiations?

It appears nation states can do what they like tax wise in the EU after all. So clearly if you're not in the EU....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53416206
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#2
so basically, Ireland are using Apple as a loss leader!
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#3
If only we were in the EU to take advantage of something we could have done all along but were told we couldn't.

The level playing field is what the EU are asking for as part of the negotiations, we have actually painted ourselves into a corner on this by the looks of it. We will have to sign up to it as part of the deal when we never had to apply it in the first case - comical!

But we won't be worse off in any way will we chaps.
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(07-15-2020, 10:41 AM)baggy1 Wrote: If only we were in the EU to take advantage of something we could have done all along but were told we couldn't.

Clearly, as this court case has highlighted, it was the E.U. telling us we couldn't. They tried to bully Ireland to stop doing it.
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#5
Think you probably need to read the article JOK. Ireland didn't want Apple to pay the tax, the EC wanted them to under competition laws, the EU general court said Ireland were right.

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#6
Over the years we probably exercised more opt-outs than just about any EU member. Big ones some of them: tax harmonisation; Schengen; The Euro... Quite why this point wasn't forcibly made by the Remain camp during the 2016 campaign I have no idea. The only person I heard raise the point was Gordon Brown during one of his late-in-the-day interventions.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how our borders will be more secure post-Brexit than they are at present. Preferably someone other than Dominic Raab.
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(07-15-2020, 11:25 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Think you probably need to read the article JOK. Ireland didn't want Apple to pay the tax, the EC wanted them to under competition laws, the EU general court said Ireland were right.

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Soz B1 that doesn't help. (I know om a bit fik. Secondary Modern, see) 
I know Ireland didn't want them to pay. You said we could have operated the same. True. But surely the E.U. insisted that Ireland / Apple were breaking some form of E.U. law and told them they had to pay tax. The courts have proved the E.U. were over stepping the mark. 
Ergo. The EU told Ireland they couldn't do that and presumably would have insisted the same to the UK.  
In short, if we were told we couldn't it's because the EU told us we couldn't. Clear?  Confused
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The EU Court, and it was the EC that brought a case against Ireland (much like any law challenge). Here's the hard bit - THE EU COURT UPHELD IRELAND'S STANCE
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(07-15-2020, 03:51 PM)JOK Wrote:
(07-15-2020, 11:25 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Think you probably need to read the article JOK. Ireland didn't want Apple to pay the tax, the EC wanted them to under competition laws, the EU general court said Ireland were right.

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Soz B1 that doesn't help. (I know om a bit fik. Secondary Modern, see) 
I know Ireland didn't want them to pay. You said we could have operated the same. True. But surely the E.U. insisted that Ireland / Apple were breaking some form of E.U. law and told them they had to pay tax. The courts have proved the E.U. were over stepping the mark. 
Ergo. The EU told Ireland they couldn't do that and presumably would have insisted the same to the UK.  
In short, if we were told we couldn't it's because the EU told us we couldn't. Clear?  Confused

The European Union is not the European Commission.

If you start applying that generalisation then you can end up with "EU tells EU that EU did not break EU rules".
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(07-15-2020, 03:55 PM)baggy1 Wrote: The EU Court, and it was the EC that brought a case against Ireland (much like any law challenge). Here's the hard bit - THE EU COURT UPHELD IRELAND'S STANCE

The European Commission is a European Union court/body, the GCEU (another European Union court/body) has ruled against the EC, who will now appeal to a higher European Union court/body apparently, presumably the CJEU.

Edit: So the above "EU tells EU that EU did not break EU rules" is kind of true!

https://ec.europa.eu/info/about-european-commission_en
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