Following the science?
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(06-03-2020, 08:09 AM)Protheroe Wrote:
(06-02-2020, 08:35 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: This argument will always come back to whose liberty? When it impinges or suppresses others liberty it becomes selfish, irresponsible and unfair. 

Liberty is the responsible use of freedom under the rule of law without depriving anyone else of their freedom.

If your behaviour impinges or suppresses others' liberty it is by definition illiberal behaviour. For that reason I could argue that total Lockdown has been "selfish, irresponsible & unfair", and that a targeted approach that protected the most vulnerable groups would've been preferable and resulted in minimal loss of liberty.

The emerging evidence is that Covid19 is transmitted, in the main, in hospital and care home environments (like other fatal conditions). It doesn't appear to be rife in wider society. I fear we've had our liberty stripped and our economy ruined for something which is a minimal threat to the vast majority of the population. I call that "selfish, irresponsible & unfair". You seem to be under the misapprehension that I somehow support the government in this debacle, I don't.

This appears to be a bit at odds with the people that had to go to hospital with covid i.e. they had it before admission. Don't get confusing death figures with contraction of this virus. People have contracted it in large group events and in public areas such as buses, trains etc.

(06-03-2020, 08:09 AM)Protheroe Wrote:
(06-02-2020, 08:35 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: This argument will always come back to whose liberty? When it impinges or suppresses others liberty it becomes selfish, irresponsible and unfair. 

And in the latest news, randy Prof Neil Ferguson has admitted that the UK relied on "quite similar science" to Sweden and that the Swedish authorities had "got a long way to the same effect" of suppression without closing schools, restaurants & bars.

Selfish, irresponsible and unfair would seem to sum up our response quite well.

So your argument is that two of the worst death rates in Europe did similar things by not locking down hard enough or early enough. But you appear to be phrasing it to say that we got to the same point as Sweden when we could have done that without locking down at all. FFS
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Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 05-31-2020, 01:54 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Solihull Throstle - 05-31-2020, 02:07 PM
RE: Following the science? - by FenlandBoing - 05-31-2020, 02:20 PM
RE: Following the science? - by The liquidator - 05-31-2020, 02:52 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 05-31-2020, 03:02 PM
RE: Following the science? - by strawman - 05-31-2020, 04:17 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Shabby Russian - 05-31-2020, 06:32 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Ossian - 05-31-2020, 03:00 PM
RE: Following the science? - by foreveralbion - 05-31-2020, 04:22 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 05-31-2020, 06:36 PM
RE: Following the science? - by strawman - 05-31-2020, 06:59 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 05-31-2020, 07:37 PM
RE: Following the science? - by JOK - 06-01-2020, 07:03 AM
RE: Following the science? - by ChamonixBaggie - 06-01-2020, 07:26 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Ted Maul - 06-02-2020, 07:34 AM
RE: Following the science? - by PeakBaggie - 06-01-2020, 10:14 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Shabby Russian - 06-01-2020, 10:29 AM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-01-2020, 12:13 PM
RE: Following the science? - by billybassett - 06-01-2020, 02:07 PM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-01-2020, 02:51 PM
RE: Following the science? - by HomersBelly - 06-01-2020, 02:55 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 06-01-2020, 05:21 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Fido - 06-01-2020, 06:03 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 06-01-2020, 08:02 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Borin' Baggie - 06-01-2020, 08:27 PM
RE: Following the science? - by billybassett - 06-02-2020, 07:25 AM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-02-2020, 08:09 AM
RE: Following the science? - by FenlandBoing - 06-02-2020, 09:07 AM
RE: Following the science? - by HomersBelly - 06-02-2020, 02:10 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-02-2020, 08:24 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 06-02-2020, 08:56 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-02-2020, 09:24 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 06-02-2020, 11:20 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-02-2020, 01:47 PM
RE: Following the science? - by billybassett - 06-02-2020, 02:00 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-02-2020, 02:27 PM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-02-2020, 02:34 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Borin' Baggie - 06-02-2020, 02:39 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-03-2020, 07:59 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Shabby Russian - 06-03-2020, 08:09 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Borin' Baggie - 06-03-2020, 12:21 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 06-02-2020, 08:35 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-03-2020, 08:09 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Shabby Russian - 06-03-2020, 08:48 AM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-03-2020, 08:49 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 06-03-2020, 10:36 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-03-2020, 10:54 AM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-03-2020, 12:09 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Shabby Russian - 06-03-2020, 12:22 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-03-2020, 01:28 PM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-03-2020, 01:34 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Borin' Baggie - 06-03-2020, 01:56 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Shabby Russian - 06-02-2020, 10:21 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Ossian - 06-03-2020, 08:25 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-05-2020, 01:55 PM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-05-2020, 02:51 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-05-2020, 04:02 PM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-09-2020, 01:23 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-10-2020, 08:32 AM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-10-2020, 08:38 AM
RE: Following the science? - by TETLEY74 - 06-10-2020, 09:12 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Derek Hardballs - 06-10-2020, 09:25 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-10-2020, 03:55 PM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-10-2020, 04:07 PM
RE: Following the science? - by TETLEY74 - 06-10-2020, 05:30 PM
RE: Following the science? - by billybassett - 06-11-2020, 06:55 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-11-2020, 09:23 AM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-11-2020, 09:34 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-11-2020, 10:28 AM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-11-2020, 11:44 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Protheroe - 06-11-2020, 12:21 PM
RE: Following the science? - by Shabby Russian - 06-11-2020, 12:32 PM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-11-2020, 12:33 PM
RE: Following the science? - by billybassett - 06-11-2020, 01:56 PM
RE: Following the science? - by The liquidator - 06-11-2020, 12:33 PM
RE: Following the science? - by baggy1 - 06-11-2020, 11:48 AM
RE: Following the science? - by Baggybenny - 06-11-2020, 12:40 PM
RE: Following the science? - by The liquidator - 06-09-2020, 02:38 PM
RE: Following the science? - by EastMidsBaggie - 06-10-2020, 01:51 PM
RE: Following the science? - by foreveralbion - 06-10-2020, 01:58 PM
RE: Following the science? - by EastMidsBaggie - 06-10-2020, 02:36 PM
RE: Following the science? - by billybassett - 06-10-2020, 03:15 PM

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