Benefits of or reasons to leave.

[Derek Hardballs]

We can debate the pros and cons of being in forever. I'm a Remainer, I'm old enough to remember what it was like before, and trust me it was shite, especially if you liked to travel or work in Europe. But - - - -

It's not about being out, it's about getting there. Has anyone noticed how sterling has lost 25% of its value since the referendum. With a particularly sharp dip now it's become clear that Boris is dead set on a Cartman-style "screw you guys, I'm going home" Brexit. This reflects real concerns by people who know the implications, not "scaremongering" by "Remoaners". If we don't cut a sensible deal to keep the wheels of trade and industry turning, my retirement will be reduced in value by about the same 25% I reckon. I'll be OK with my pension pot, but I don't regard being poorer for the rest of my life as a price worth paying for whatever the benefits of this adventure might eventually be. I don't have time to refill my coffers in the new Golden Age.

Why couldn't we get a deal? Shall we blame the MPs for failing to "respect the will of the people"? No, not me. I blame the "red lines" and specifically the Irish border. You can't have no Customs Union, no Single Rule Book, divergent regulations and free access to unregulated foreign goods in the UK and also have a completely open border with the EU. But that's what the Leavers said we could do, and then May made it Government policy even though it is not deliverable. It's like insisting that you won't have a fence, but you won't have your neighbour's dog shitting on your lawn. I think the arrogance of UK's position is driven by a long-term belief that Ireland should be ours, or conversely a wish to scrape Northern Ireland off our boot and let the Irish have it. Two opposite views that fuel the fantasy that it can happen. And the huge irony of May ending up dependent on the DUP. I thought it was the best thing ever in politics when she screwed up her 2017 General Election, but with hindsight it has got us in a huge amount of trouble.

For the rest of my life I will resent anyone who voted Leave because they have fucked me over. I will never see the benefit, and we've all been suffering the consequences since 2016. Just my onions.

Exactly we’ll said Chesh, why Brexit voters think those that oppose leaving should accept and be polite to them and bear no ill will for potentially making us poorer I’m not sure. When I meet someone who voted leave I instinctively think less of them now. Perhaps I shouldn’t but honesty is just as noble as politeness.

[foreveralbion]

that is silly derek.

the population were asked to vote.

you cant bear ill will to millions that did not choose to vote the same way as you.

how come you only hold those that voted leave to blame?

why not cameron? why not the majority of mps who voted for the referendum?

why not the remain campaign?

why not the eu for not budging a bit before the referendum?

this is a democracy and you cant think less or more of anyone just because of how they voted.

[Derek Hardballs]

that is silly derek.

the population were asked to vote.

you cant bear ill will to millions that did not choose to vote the same way as you.

how come you only hold those that voted leave to blame?

why not cameron? why not the majority of mps who voted for the referendum?

why not the remain campaign?

why not the eu for not budging a bit before the referendum?

this is a democracy and you cant think less or more of anyone just because of how they voted.

All well and good but if the reasons people voted to leave were as well thought out as JOKs I would have some respect but when I heard and read the reasons many voted leave my opinion of them collectively did diminish. Alongside that the general dislike I have for the main protagonists in the Leave Campaign and my emotional response to those that support it is negative. Maybe it’s wrong of me but the cracks in the country and union are now deep and wide and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

[John Osborne’s Knuckle]

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JOK arguments all seem reasonable and logical until he starts comparing wishing to remain for the sake of his families future with appeasement with Nazi Germany.

Yet again, being obtuse. Either intentionally or by nature. (I’m beginning to think I know which it is)
Spectacularly missing the metaphor.
But while we are making accusations of comparing today with Nazi Germany and The Second World War, who was it that posted this photo?

https://wbaunofficial.org.uk/showthread....5#pid85545

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[Cheshire East Baggie]

that is silly derek.

the population were asked to vote.

you cant bear ill will to millions that did not choose to vote the same way as you.

how come you only hold those that voted leave to blame?

why not cameron? why not the majority of mps who voted for the referendum?

why not the remain campaign?

why not the eu for not budging a bit before the referendum?

this is a democracy and you cant think less or more of anyone just because of how they voted.

I'm blaming everyone who was involved. Cameron for thinking it wouldn't come to anything, the Conservatives for putting party before people. Corbyn and his mob for trying to re-live the 1970s as closet Leavers, Farage, Johnson, Gove and more others than I can mention for lying through their teeth to make something happen that wouldn't affect them much either way, the Remain campaign for being shite. Bottom line is, all these people have completely messed up my life the way I wanted to live it and enjoyed living it, and they've made a big, big hole in my finances. As Birdie says elsewhere, I'm still waiting for anyone to explain where the benefits are for anyone, and when they might start to be realised.

I don't blame the EU. If someone said to you, "can I duck out of the obligations and commitments I've made to you, and screw up the status quo we've both worked towards for 40 years?", I bet you'd say "no problem, old pal, take what you want, I'll pay the bills, of course you can still come and go as you please and use my car whenever you want. Fancy a shag? Here's my wife and/or daughter". Or maybe not.