Keef

[baggy1]

I think you’ll find that everyone can see what options are out there and after years of crying out for a non-populist PM you get one and then ignore all of the policies that have been implemented - see chasetown’s post for some examples.

[Derek Hardballs]

I think you’ll find that everyone can see what options are out there and after years of crying out for a non-populist PM you get one and then ignore all of the policies that have been implemented - see chasetown’s post for some examples.

I’m pointing out he’s a major part of the problem why Labour are so unpopular. I get that this frustrates you, but that doesn’t change the fact he is. 

My personal opinion is Starmer doesn’t stand for anything, he’s as empty as the Ming Vase he was so desperate not to break. A conviction free politician that is unpopular with the majority of his own party members, is losing support to the Greens and has shown to not have a clue how to connect with people.

[baggy1]

It doesn’t frustrate me Dekka. If you haven’t learnt by now that the UK press with the added bot world we live in have always been against any Labour leader then you are younger than I thought. Which of the policies above do you think are bad? And what policies would you like to see implemented to improve Labour’s standing?

[Protheroe]

I suspect what Dekka is getting at, is that none of the policies deal with the fundamental issues we face. And on that, he’s absolutely correct. Starmer is an administrator at a time we need a revolutionary.

[tHEgLASSdOORS]

I suspect what Dekka is getting at, is that none of the policies deal with the fundamental issues we face. And on that, he’s absolutely correct. Starmer is an administrator at a time we need a revolutionary.

Agreed

[baggy1]

We had the revolution, it was called Brexit and it fucked us. It really is about time that people realised that was the last roll of the dice, austerity and Brexit left us with nothing to take to the table - if we want a revolution we have to pay for it and no-one wants to put their hands in their pocket.

[Protheroe]

All of our fundamental issues were there long before Brexit.

[baggy1]

It really is about time that reality bit for some people. We had one roll of the dice and we blew it on Brexit. We spent years stripping away our foundations and then we decided to cut ties with our biggest trading partner. And now the proletariat need a hero, a revolutionary who will save us all - fantasists abound.

[chasetownbaggie]

The last three comments miss the point entirely, when you have a Labour supporting Mirror newspaper readers saying immigration is their number one priority above both the NHS and the cost of living problem then Labour have a problem. Similarly when a poll of Labour Party members declare support for Starmer is at an all time low, then you have a problem.

And if/when the immigration problem is sorted and the lives of the white working class are still shit, what then?

I'd wager most of them don't know about any of government's achievements that I listed. The big problem Labour have is messaging but they are totally up against it because literally from day one the right wing media have conducted a huge onslaught of disinformation and distraction to convince people that their lives are getting worse every day and the only way to fix it is by stopping the boats.

Reading Starmer's almost daily FB posts is an utterly soul destroying experience. Not because of what he says, but because of the vitriolic reactions he gets from almost everyone. Every positive bit of news is greeted with derision.

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It really is about time that reality bit for some people. We had one roll of the dice and we blew it on Brexit. We spent years stripping away our foundations and then we decided to cut ties with our biggest trading partner. And now the proletariat need a hero, a revolutionary who will save us all - fantasists abound.

The same hero who told them Brexit would cure all our ills.

[Protheroe]

We spent years stripping away our foundations and then we decided to cut ties with our biggest trading partner. 

We spent a decade and a half subsidising the already wealthy with free money. As a beneficiary, I can see that perfectly well. Why can't Labour? Why doesn't it do something about it?