Keef

[tHEgLASSdOORS]

There's a big misconception that migrants are put into hotels and hmo's because they haven't been processed. The main reason for the majority is that there aren't any houses or flats for them or anyone else. The current waiting list for council housing is up to about 1.5 million. Process them as quick as you like, there isn't a secret empty Narnia for them. Blame who or what you like for the shortage it won't improve the situation. That's real not AI

As if by magic

[Baggiejacko]

There's a big misconception that migrants are put into hotels and hmo's because they haven't been processed. The main reason for the majority is that there aren't any houses or flats for them or anyone else. The current waiting list for council housing is up to about 1.5 million. Process them as quick as you like, there isn't a secret empty Narnia for them. Blame who or what you like for the shortage it won't improve the situation. That's real not AI

As if by magic

A bit cryptic mon???

[baggy1]

I think your misconception may be a misconception in itself BJ. In the old days, i did some work on this back in the day, the buses used to arrive with the local allocation for the asylum seekers to be placed into housing that was available. They were then given some cash, food and necessities (nappies baby food where applicable etc). They were put into a furnished property and then their case worker would visit them when they worked down their list. Inevitably there were a lot of times that the case worker would turn up and they, and the furniture, were gone. Putting them into one location makes sense in many ways.

And the 2nd point about the waiting list is that there is available accommodation however not necessarily the right type, you can't place a family with two or three kids into a one bed flat permanently hence the temporary accommodation. There is a waiting list and there is available housing https://www.birminghamchoice.co.uk/Prope...h/Results/# - the two don't exclude each other.

[Baggiejacko]

I think your misconception may be a misconception in itself BJ. In the old days, i did some work on this back in the day, the buses used to arrive with the local allocation for the asylum seekers to be placed into housing that was available. They were then given some cash, food and necessities (nappies baby food where applicable etc). They were put into a furnished property and then their case worker would visit them when they worked down their list. Inevitably there were a lot of times that the case worker would turn up and they, and the furniture, were gone. Putting them into one location makes sense in many ways.

And the 2nd point about the waiting list is that there is available accommodation however not necessarily the right type, you can't place a family with two or three kids into a one bed flat permanently hence the temporary accommodation. There is a waiting list and there is available housing https://www.birminghamchoice.co.uk/Prope...h/Results/# - the two don't exclude each other.

Have a go at getting somewhere in Sandwell like a pal of mine had to a few months before Xmas. On the council list he needed over 300 other applicants to turn anything he applied for down before his bid with considered. He failed for months to get anywhere and ended up sleeping in his car. He was told to go to a blokes shelter in West brom for somewhere to sleep and given a list of places he could go for free during the day to keep warm. He's couch surfing now. That's reality not a Google search result.

[Derek Hardballs]

If you turn housing into HMOs or place families into perfectly good housing before UK residents have the opportunity then you solve one problem and create another far bigger. No one wants a HMO next to a family home the two are not compatible and the unfairness that housing a family recently arrived in the country whilst others wait is why Reform are going to see Labour and Tory councils wiped out in May.

People on here may not like this simple truth but heyho keep saying they are racist or intolerant it won’t change a thing. Pragmatically this ‘solution’ will destroy what is left of Labour’s hope of gaining back lost votes, and it’s rather glib to say it’s fine/ok when you know it’s unlikely to affect you or your family.

[Baggiejacko]

If you turn housing into HMOs or place families into perfectly good housing before UK residents have the opportunity then you solve one problem and create another far bigger. No one wants a HMO next to a family home the two are not compatible and the unfairness that housing a family recently arrived in the country whilst others wait is why Reform are going to see Labour and Tory councils wiped out in May.

People on here may not like this simple truth but heyho keep saying they are racist or intolerant it won’t change a thing. Pragmatically this ‘solution’ will destroy what is left of Labour’s hope of gaining back lost votes, and it’s rather glib to say it’s fine/ok when you know it’s unlikely to affect you or your family.

I've been spouting this 'racist' warning for a long time. Usually it's the unaffected people that shout racism. What I was saying on here znd abused for is now future policies for the 3 main parties. Very few have their heads still up their bottoms now but still they shout nasty names etc.

[baggy1]

I think your misconception may be a misconception in itself BJ. In the old days, i did some work on this back in the day, the buses used to arrive with the local allocation for the asylum seekers to be placed into housing that was available. They were then given some cash, food and necessities (nappies baby food where applicable etc). They were put into a furnished property and then their case worker would visit them when they worked down their list. Inevitably there were a lot of times that the case worker would turn up and they, and the furniture, were gone. Putting them into one location makes sense in many ways.

And the 2nd point about the waiting list is that there is available accommodation however not necessarily the right type, you can't place a family with two or three kids into a one bed flat permanently hence the temporary accommodation. There is a waiting list and there is available housing https://www.birminghamchoice.co.uk/Prope...h/Results/# - the two don't exclude each other.

Have a go at getting somewhere in Sandwell like a pal of mine had to a few months before Xmas. On the council list he needed over 300 other applicants to turn anything he applied for down before his bid with considered. He failed for months to get anywhere and ended up sleeping in his car. He was told to go to a blokes shelter in West brom for somewhere to sleep and given a list of places he could go for free during the day to keep warm. He's couch surfing now. That's reality not a Google search result.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that there is a severe shortage that needs to be sorted but the 1.5m waiting list won't be solved by not housing immigrants (and when you think about it doesn't impact on the lack of housing if they are being put into HMOs and hotels). Immigration is a reality, asylum seekers are a reality, if you are looking at them as the problem and not the severe underfunding of social housing over the last 30 years then you are being conned. If anyone also thinks that Reform will make one iota of difference then you again are being conned.

[Baggiejacko]

I think your misconception may be a misconception in itself BJ. In the old days, i did some work on this back in the day, the buses used to arrive with the local allocation for the asylum seekers to be placed into housing that was available. They were then given some cash, food and necessities (nappies baby food where applicable etc). They were put into a furnished property and then their case worker would visit them when they worked down their list. Inevitably there were a lot of times that the case worker would turn up and they, and the furniture, were gone. Putting them into one location makes sense in many ways.

And the 2nd point about the waiting list is that there is available accommodation however not necessarily the right type, you can't place a family with two or three kids into a one bed flat permanently hence the temporary accommodation. There is a waiting list and there is available housing https://www.birminghamchoice.co.uk/Prope...h/Results/# - the two don't exclude each other.

Have a go at getting somewhere in Sandwell like a pal of mine had to a few months before Xmas. On the council list he needed over 300 other applicants to turn anything he applied for down before his bid with considered. He failed for months to get anywhere and ended up sleeping in his car. He was told to go to a blokes shelter in West brom for somewhere to sleep and given a list of places he could go for free during the day to keep warm. He's couch surfing now. That's reality not a Google search result.

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that there is a severe shortage that needs to be sorted but the 1.5m waiting list won't be solved by not housing immigrants (and when you think about it doesn't impact on the lack of housing if they are being put into HMOs and hotels). Immigration is a reality, asylum seekers are a reality, if you are looking at them as the problem and not the severe underfunding of social housing over the last 30 years then you are being conned. If anyone also thinks that Reform will make one iota of difference then you again are being conned.

OK mon. Duly noted. Let's see what Labour do about it in the next 3 years

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Births are currently behind deaths so things shouldn't be getting worse but they are. Have we stopped shagging or is it the fact that people can't get to see a doctor, get an ambulance in a reasonable time or have to wait for hours in casualty? Triage in my local hospital is slowed down by the constant need for translation over the phone or by getting a staff member to translate in there that speaks the language (they have a list of who speaks what) Stopping mass migration won't solve anything but it'll arrest the decline.

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These aren't AI silliness on Facebook or newspaper headlines but real life recent experiences.

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Conservative government ended up making life worse for years and Labour have spent 18 months making it even worse. If Winnie the Pooh said he would change things for the better I'd vote for him rather than those 2 lying bunch of bastards and you can call me all the names you like. Labour have about 3 years or so to change mine and a lot of other pissed off people's minds or Reform it will be. It's lovely to help others but not to the detriment of my friends and family. If you don't get it you ain't affected. Other people's shoes would feel different if you tried them on

[man in the corner shop]

I think your misconception may be a misconception in itself BJ. In the old days, i did some work on this back in the day, the buses used to arrive with the local allocation for the asylum seekers to be placed into housing that was available. They were then given some cash, food and necessities (nappies baby food where applicable etc). They were put into a furnished property and then their case worker would visit them when they worked down their list. Inevitably there were a lot of times that the case worker would turn up and they, and the furniture, were gone. Putting them into one location makes sense in many ways.

And the 2nd point about the waiting list is that there is available accommodation however not necessarily the right type, you can't place a family with two or three kids into a one bed flat permanently hence the temporary accommodation. There is a waiting list and there is available housing https://www.birminghamchoice.co.uk/Prope...h/Results/# - the two don't exclude each other.

Have a go at getting somewhere in Sandwell like a pal of mine had to a few months before Xmas. On the council list he needed over 300 other applicants to turn anything he applied for down before his bid with considered. He failed for months to get anywhere and ended up sleeping in his car. He was told to go to a blokes shelter in West brom for somewhere to sleep and given a list of places he could go for free during the day to keep warm. He's couch surfing now. That's reality not a Google search result.

That is not the fucking fault if immigrants but 50 years of do nothing UK governments

[Squid]

If you turn housing into HMOs or place families into perfectly good housing before UK residents have the opportunity then you solve one problem and create another far bigger. No one wants a HMO next to a family home the two are not compatible and the unfairness that housing a family recently arrived in the country whilst others wait is why Reform are going to see Labour and Tory councils wiped out in May.

People on here may not like this simple truth but heyho keep saying they are racist or intolerant it won’t change a thing. Pragmatically this ‘solution’ will destroy what is left of Labour’s hope of gaining back lost votes, and it’s rather glib to say it’s fine/ok when you know it’s unlikely to affect you or your family.

But Reform voters don't want asylum seekers anywhere. When they were housed on a boat (a boat!), they just turned up and protested by the boat instead.

However, the shortage of housing is indeed a massive issue for everyone. We do not have enough social housing, we do not have enough affordable housing. There needs to be a massive house-building programme, particularly on brownfield sites. There also needs to be some strategic thinking, as there is a decline in the use of retail/commercial space, plenty of areas can be converted into residential use.