Go for it Shabana
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Reform MP has now asked her to join their party as she has stolen their rhetoric
Which says it all really

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv...ws-updates

Labour MP Brian Leishman: "The Government has surrendered to... the vile rhetoric of Reform. Does the Home Secretary not see that removing the legal obligation to support asylum seekers who will be otherwise destitute, is as far away from Labour Party principles and values as we can get?"
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We have to be fascist so the fascists won't get in seems to be the approach.
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The labour Party is not and never has been a party for Layabouts, Slackers, Ne’er-do-wells, Idlers, skivers, freeloaders & criminals, whether they be adults, parents or children. I'll qualfy the children bit - useless parenting, by clueless, feckless people has always presented difficulties in schools eg kids not being potty trained to teenagers who are quite happy to tell the teaching staff to go and fuck themselves. Schools reflect society. Why is it a Labour value to accept, make excuses? I had to agree with Kemi's proposal that anyone landing on these shores without papers and a fictitous back story by an illegal method should be deported, sine die. Countries that refuse to accept and cooperate should be sanctioned. Shabana is on board and seeing both parties recognise the threat to the UK of the proto fascist Reform is excellent - it's about time there is a united approach to the problem of small boats that no doubt is fuelled by Russians. The woke lefty pro pal antisemites bleating about the language used about asylum seakers is absurd. I do think we should take our fair share of refugees and we should have embassies in Europe where they can apply. Of course we had that when we in the EU. I don't think that we should leave the ECHR but if it can't be changed to reflect the the current state of affairs there may be no choice as jonathan Sumption argues.
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(11-18-2025, 09:05 AM)Pontificator Wrote: The labour Party is not and never has been a party for Layabouts, Slackers, Ne’er-do-wells, Idlers, skivers, freeloaders & criminals, whether they be adults, parents or children. I'll qualfy the children bit - useless parenting, by clueless, feckless people has always presented difficulties in schools eg kids not being potty trained to teenagers who are quite happy to tell the teaching staff to go and fuck themselves. Schools reflect society. Why is it a Labour value to accept, make excuses? I had to agree with Kemi's proposal that anyone landing on these shores without papers and a fictitous back story by an illegal method should be deported, sine die. Countries that refuse to accept and cooperate should be sanctioned. Shabana is on board and seeing both parties recognise the threat to the UK of the proto fascist Reform is excellent - it's about time there is a united approach to the problem of small boats that no doubt is fuelled by Russians. The woke lefty pro pal antisemites bleating about the language used about asylum seakers is absurd. I do think we should take our fair share of refugees and we should have embassies in Europe where they can apply. Of course we had that when we in the EU. I don't think that we should leave the ECHR but if it can't be changed to reflect the the current state of affairs there may be no choice as jonathan Sumption argues.

That's all well and good, but deported to where exactly? 

And, did we not learn from Brexit, just because we leave an organisation, it doesn't mean everyone else will stop following the rules. If we leave the ECHR, that leaves us with Belarus and Russia... Whatever will that help us accomplish?
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(11-18-2025, 09:05 AM)Pontificator Wrote: The labour Party is not and never has been a party for Layabouts, Slackers, Ne’er-do-wells, Idlers, skivers, freeloaders & criminals, whether they be adults, parents or children. I'll qualfy the children bit - useless parenting, by clueless, feckless people has always presented difficulties in schools eg kids not being potty trained to teenagers who are quite happy to tell the teaching staff to go and fuck themselves. Schools reflect society. Why is it a Labour value to accept, make excuses? I had to agree with Kemi's proposal that anyone landing on these shores without papers and a fictitous back story by an illegal method should be deported, sine die. Countries that refuse to accept and cooperate should be sanctioned. Shabana is on board and seeing both parties recognise the threat to the UK of the proto fascist Reform is excellent - it's about time there is a united approach to the problem of small boats that no doubt is fuelled by Russians. The woke lefty pro pal antisemites bleating about the language used about asylum seakers is absurd. I do think we should take our fair share of refugees and we should have embassies in Europe where they can apply. Of course we had that when we in the EU. I don't think that we should leave the ECHR but if it can't be changed to reflect the the current state of affairs there may be no choice as jonathan Sumption argues.

Hi Morgan.

I know you're under pressure  but try and keep the anger in check.
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(11-18-2025, 09:05 AM)Pontificator Wrote: The labour Party is not and never has been a party for Layabouts, Slackers, Ne’er-do-wells, Idlers, skivers, freeloaders & criminals, whether they be adults, parents or children. I'll qualfy the children bit - useless parenting, by clueless, feckless people has always presented difficulties in schools eg kids not being potty trained to teenagers who are quite happy to tell the teaching staff to go and fuck themselves. Schools reflect society. Why is it a Labour value to accept, make excuses? I had to agree with Kemi's proposal that anyone landing on these shores without papers and a fictitous back story by an illegal method should be deported, sine die. Countries that refuse to accept and cooperate should be sanctioned. Shabana is on board and seeing both parties recognise the threat to the UK of the proto fascist Reform is excellent - it's about time there is a united approach to the problem of small boats that no doubt is fuelled by Russians. The woke lefty pro pal antisemites bleating about the language used about asylum seakers is absurd. I do think we should take our fair share of refugees and we should have embassies in Europe where they can apply. Of course we had that when we in the EU. I don't think that we should leave the ECHR but if it can't be changed to reflect the the current state of affairs there may be no choice as jonathan Sumption argues.

Are you really a Labour party member? That reads like a Reform statement

And as for this

Layabouts, Slackers, Ne’er-do-wells, Idlers, skivers, freeloaders & criminals

Leave the bored members alone

And you missed the petty minded, the bitter and the snipers.
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