Budget 2025

[Protheroe]

Not sure how the US looks more stable than the UK.

It has many of the same problems, but also has the $ and huge economic clout. Unlike the UK the US also has a culture of optimism, enterprise and self reliance which admittedly appeals more to me than it may to a majority of people in the UK.

[Derek Hardballs]

Not sure how the US looks more stable than the UK.

It has many of the same problems, but also has the $ and huge economic clout. Unlike the UK the US also has a culture of optimism, enterprise and self reliance which admittedly appeals more to me than it may to a majority of people in the UK.

Yeah, who can resist a country that regularly bankrupts its own citizens for falling ill. You’ll fit right in I’m sure

[Protheroe]

Not sure how the US looks more stable than the UK.

It has many of the same problems, but also has the $ and huge economic clout. Unlike the UK the US also has a culture of optimism, enterprise and self reliance which admittedly appeals more to me than it may to a majority of people in the UK.

Yeah, who can resist a country that regularly bankrupts its own citizens for falling ill. You’ll fit right in I’m sure

I'll take my chances. The NHS kills far too many people prematurely each year. Rather be skint than dead.

[Borin' Baggie]

The UK has a higher life expectancy than Hawaii.

[tHEgLASSdOORS]

Highest August borrowing since Covid. £8.4bn in debt interest in August alone.

And that is down to Labour in what way? Maybe the answer lies in the problems that stem back to Liz Truss and the ripples that we are still feeling from that - God knows what will happen if Reform get in with the same approach.

Dear me, really?

I have waxed lyrical plenty on the failing of every government since 2008 to get debt under control.

The situation is getting worse. Labour has no plan whatsoever to reduce debt. It can't even get modest changes to WFA and Welfare through the PLP, let alone fundamental reform to the NHS and Social Care. The doom loop is complete. We're just circling around it. I've never had less hope for the UK - particularly if the future PM is someone like Burnham.

The Green Card lottery opens again in October. I'll be getting my application in early.

Not sure how the US looks more stable than the UK.

Perhaps Proth’s intended actions speak more than he’s prepared to say on here about where he is politically… I wonder if he bought a an ill fitting red baseball cap? 

Got to admire the chutzpah of someone who campaigns to make the country poorer via Brexit and then declares he’s off to the increasingly authoritarian right wing US.

Ay it

[Protheroe]

Perhaps Proth’s intended actions speak more than he’s prepared to say on here about where he is politically… I wonder if he bought a an ill fitting red baseball cap? 

Got to admire the chutzpah of someone who campaigns to make the country poorer via Brexit and then declares he’s off to the increasingly authoritarian right wing US.

In 1776, the United States crashed out of the United Kingdom without a deal. Whatever became of them?

[Borin' Baggie]

They signed favourable trade terms with the French, Spanish and Dutch and signed a treaty with Great Britain to maintain free trade post-it dependence and re-established that 10 years later with a closer arrangement (doesn't seem very "No Deal" to me, Lord Shelburne literally offered a very favourable deal to the United States to swiftly establish formal trade relations between the new country and Great Britain), they then went on a massive land conquest which involved wiping out the native population, seizing land from one of their neighbours and attempting to seize land from another one of their neighbours (but had their White House burned down) and proceeded to kill each other over the issue of whether they should be allowed to own people all within 100 years of independence.

Ireland had a much harder exit than the US did and their economy was in the toilet until they joined the EEC and now they're richer than us.

[Protheroe]

Amazing what diplomacy and gunpowder does for a former vassal state.

[Borin' Baggie]

Lord Shelburne deliberately offered favourable terms to create the closest possible trade relationship between Great Britain and the United States. As you can probably guess by the fact he's referred to as "Lord" Shelburne, he wasn't a Yank. The equivalent would be the UK leaving the EU but retaining all trade privileges i.e. remaining in the single market (and arguably also the customs union).

This isn't the argument that you want to make.

[Derek Hardballs]

Amazing what diplomacy and gunpowder does for a former vassal state.

Arf dragging up American independence from the UK 249 years ago as proof Brexit was a good idea. At least Reece Mogg said it would only take 50 years to see any benefits.